Alxaaram forcing women to wear veil

[Madd_Scientist_]

it seems as if you're misunderstanding ms nalias comment, what she said was "but they cant outlaw a man with no means to marry more than one woman.." a man who's marriage is xaraam and who is making a mockery out of the rules should be outlawed.

if both parties are happy then it's fine

[ms.naliaa]

Shirib:
What Im trying to say is that if you can barely provide for one wife, why would a man marry another one? I mean according to Islam, a man must be able to provide for both (all) his wives right? Mojority of the men that get married to more than one woman do NOT follow the rules of Islam.
You're gonna force a woman to wear the hijab but your also neglecting other facets and laws of the religion as well. I am all for sharica law...as long as its implented accross the board, not just bits and peices.

[Shirib]

Shirib:
What Im trying to say is that if you can barely provide for one wife, why would a man marry another one? I mean according to Islam, a man must be able to provide for both (all) his wives right? Mojority of the men that get married to more than one woman do NOT follow the rules of Islam.
You're gonna force a woman to wear the hijab but your also neglecting other facets and laws of the religion as well. I am all for sharica law...as long as its implented accross the board, not just bits and peices.

The thing is u can't tell a man he cannot marry a woman if both the man and woman say they want to get married, even if she is a second, third, or forth wife. What are u gonna say to them we will not allow ur marriage because we deem that u cannot provide for her? It is halaal and if they want to do it, it has to be allowed. U cannot outlaw something that Allah has made halaal.

Hijaab on the other hand can be enforced and should be

[ms.naliaa]

Shirib:
What Im trying to say is that if you can barely provide for one wife, why would a man marry another one? I mean according to Islam, a man must be able to provide for both (all) his wives right? Mojority of the men that get married to more than one woman do NOT follow the rules of Islam.
You're gonna force a woman to wear the hijab but your also neglecting other facets and laws of the religion as well. I am all for sharica law...as long as its implented accross the board, not just bits and peices.

The thing is u can't tell a man he cannot marry a woman if both the man and woman say they want to get married, even if she is a second, third, or forth wife. What are u gonna say to them we will not allow ur marriage because we deem that u cannot provide for her? It is halaal and if they want to do it, it has to be allowed. U cannot outlaw something that Allah has made halaal.

Hijaab on the other hand can be enforced and should be

Yes. why not?
Because allah made it halal is not enough. Allah made it halal based on certain criteria and one of them being that he can provide for her. If a man can not provide for one family, how da hell can he do it for two?
If the person is NOT going to go about it the way allah has ascertained, then should it not be outlawed?
Speaking from a cultural ponit of view, how many of those girls actually have a choice?
What if a girl does not want to wear the hijab? whats gonna be her punishment? who will administer it? How will it be measured?
Since when is Islam a religion of force?

[Murax]

Hutuking the hypocrite

[Shirib]

Yes. why not?
Because allah made it halal is not enough. Allah made it halal based on certain criteria and one of them being that he can provide for her. If a man can not provide for one family, how da hell can he do it for two?
If the person is NOT going to go about it the way allah has ascertained, then should it not be outlawed?
Speaking from a cultural ponit of view, how many of those girls actually have a choice?
What if a girl does not want to wear the hijab? whats gonna be her punishment? who will administer it? How will it be measured?
Since when is Islam a religion of force?

Cause ur making it haraam, when Allah made it halaal!!! Who is someone to tell you, you cannot get married when Allah said u can?

Covering up your body is ordained in the Quran, and a ruling for not following it can be administered by the ulumaa who rule the area. In this case it is a warning then a light punishment.

Islam means submission

[Megatron]

I tell ya, the best thing about this piracy issue, is that it has drawn the worlds attention to Somalia after almost twenty years. Now they can rightfully go in and this kill these fockin fools who do a poor imitation of Saudi wahabbists.

[ms.naliaa]

Yes. why not?
Because allah made it halal is not enough. Allah made it halal based on certain criteria and one of them being that he can provide for her. If a man can not provide for one family, how da hell can he do it for two?
If the person is NOT going to go about it the way allah has ascertained, then should it not be outlawed?
Speaking from a cultural ponit of view, how many of those girls actually have a choice?
What if a girl does not want to wear the hijab? whats gonna be her punishment? who will administer it? How will it be measured?
Since when is Islam a religion of force?

Cause ur making it haraam, when Allah made it halaal!!! Who is someone to tell you, you cannot get married when Allah said u can?

Covering up your body is ordained in the Quran, and a ruling for not following it can be administered by the ulumaa who rule the area. In this case it is a warning then a light punishment.

Islam means submission

Okay, whats considered a light punishment?
and how can someone over rule the uluma if what their dictating is not correct? do the people have a choice in this?
I understand Islam means submission...but submission to Allah (swt) not mankind.
(im just playing devils' advocate here)

[Shirib]

Yes. why not?
Because allah made it halal is not enough. Allah made it halal based on certain criteria and one of them being that he can provide for her. If a man can not provide for one family, how da hell can he do it for two?
If the person is NOT going to go about it the way allah has ascertained, then should it not be outlawed?
Speaking from a cultural ponit of view, how many of those girls actually have a choice?
What if a girl does not want to wear the hijab? whats gonna be her punishment? who will administer it? How will it be measured?
Since when is Islam a religion of force?

Cause ur making it haraam, when Allah made it halaal!!! Who is someone to tell you, you cannot get married when Allah said u can?

Covering up your body is ordained in the Quran, and a ruling for not following it can be administered by the ulumaa who rule the area. In this case it is a warning then a light punishment.

Islam means submission

Okay, whats considered a light punishment?
and how can someone over rule the uluma if what their dictating is not correct? do the people have a choice in this?
I understand Islam means submission...but submission to Allah (swt) not mankind.
(im just playing devils' advocate here)

The ruling that was placed in Baydhabo was detaining a person for 12 hours if they were not properly covered.

It's like any other law, people don't really have say, they follow the rules.

[Megatron]

Shirib:
What Im trying to say is that if you can barely provide for one wife, why would a man marry another one? I mean according to Islam, a man must be able to provide for both (all) his wives right? Mojority of the men that get married to more than one woman do NOT follow the rules of Islam.
You're gonna force a woman to wear the hijab but your also neglecting other facets and laws of the religion as well. I am all for sharica law...as long as its implented accross the board, not just bits and peices.

The thing is u can't tell a man he cannot marry a woman if both the man and woman say they want to get married, even if she is a second, third, or forth wife. What are u gonna say to them we will not allow ur marriage because we deem that u cannot provide for her? It is halaal and if they want to do it, it has to be allowed. U cannot outlaw something that Allah has made halaal.

Hijaab on the other hand can be enforced and should be

Yes. why not?
Because allah made it halal is not enough. Allah made it halal based on certain criteria and one of them being that he can provide for her. If a man can not provide for one family, how da hell can he do it for two?
If the person is NOT going to go about it the way allah has ascertained, then should it not be outlawed?
Speaking from a cultural ponit of view, how many of those girls actually have a choice?
What if a girl does not want to wear the hijab? whats gonna be her punishment? who will administer it? How will it be measured?
Since when is Islam a religion of force?

Excellent points. You're not giving Shiriib any room to rebut here.

[Shirib]

^^ I already rebutted it

[Advo]

Although I see no issue in women wearing veils or shops closing during paryer time, I am not much fan of forcing people to do something, I like educating and people doing it for the right reason as appose to fear or out of punishment.

[Megatron]

^^ I already rebutted it

and failed miserably

[Shirib]

^^ I already rebutted it

and failed miserably

sure, if u say so

[Shirib]

Although I see no issue in women wearing veils or shops closing during paryer time, I am not much fan of forcing people to do something, I like educating and people doing it for the right reason as appose to fear or out of punishment.

It's true that people should do things out of fear of Allah. But another thing to understand is that people are affected by others. If you are around a place where all the shops close down and people go to prayer, it's a sure bet that the usual guy who didn't pray out of laziness will become good in his prayers as everyone else is doing it. Same thing with the dress code. Humans are social beings and that is how they work.