For the essay writer Mr. Osmano

[usman-84]

Keyse u think i dont study mj history. I saw those pics years ago..but when i researched it not 1 historian mentions these pictures..marka waa creation of merfish guy..wey iska cad tahay....if u bring 1 historian that confirms this image...i will convert to HAWIYE..that is how confident i am..sxb mar hore baan mj history soo aqriyey...not 1 bad thing historians say...and i am studying other clan histories and its devastating what i am finding..and its backed up by historians not user gallery..

[usman-84]

Keyse all u guys can do is MAKE UP HISTORY againt majeerteen not 1 historians has said anything bad about them except praise as resistance fighters..marka i understand ur frustrations...and i dont blame u uploading pics on gallery...where are those pics from which historical book? lama haayo historical book soo ma ahaa..because it was created by merfish guy..

When u come with historical books by historians..like i said talk to us then sxb but dont insult us with pictures of 1936 on italian website...was that website historian that was alive at that time...looooooll if not then u need bring historian ama its in the bin..bring 1 historian that says that picture is bender kassimm aar laa imow..ur dealing with historical specialist here...i have archives of historians that diss isaaq from ibn battuta, to burton to british somaliland books...waxaad tihiin gaalada ayaa idin sheegtay...but anaga gaal wax xun naga ma sheegin

[Keyse_0208]

hey... dont try and explain ur history to me , i aint intrested .... why dont u go and tell this to the italian photographer who took this photo ...


u know what they say . the camera dont lie

[usman-84]

How can i go there? i dont even know who he is..i just registered on there forum...anyone can register there..it is user upload site..

bring evidence sxb that can be verified that bring me shit on upload site..waxaan maxaa weeye..have u ever been to university? this is not considered evidence...there is no name who posted it...where he got it from? did he the take the picture if so he needs to prove he existed in 1930s..thats why we need historic book so we can verify it existed...not upload image site...

http://www.cri.it/forum3/ucp.php?mode=register

Go register yourself and upload any sort of pic u want sxb..i am not going to defend a charge that has no historical evidence...this accusation is just from user who is frustrated at isaaq history and posts a picture about bender kassim..when u bring historical record..name, date, image, book, then we can test it till then...run along sxb..

I did mj history study...not 1 bad thing there...

[Keyse_0208]

usmano looks like the money u spend on going to university was wasted, since u cant tell the difference between a websites forums and photo gallery ..... the link u provided and the one photos link are two totally seperate links..

for example u cannot access the photo album for editting even if is a member of the forum

check it for ur self http://www.cri.it/coppermine/albums


................ ow shyyyyt...cusmano those guiys are probbaly Mj, probably cisman or cumar mohamud...

[usman-84]

When historian says that is bender kassim...markaas aan hadlno, but i dont see any historian saying its bender kassim except what a user uploaded..they dont even say how they obtained the picture...which archive? when newspaper post pictures they clear tell u at the bottom where the picture was obtained from so ppl can go verify...

So there is nothing to debate...i researched it not one historian says this..that means all historians are blind to this event???? and only this user knows...impossible..

Like i said any scholar would ask where did the image come from...this website italian redcross where volunteers of the red cross can register and upload pictures...volunteers are not historians and they didnt live in 1936 to obtain this picture for themselves, therefore they need to show where they obtain their image...

anyways there is nothing to verify because their is no verification on this image...i can take a picture and say berbera has jews doesnt mean its true but i can do it..pictures without historian approval is fake..simple as that

[abdisamad3]

abdisamad i wouldnt be suprised also...british uniforms were white colored..italian navy was grey uniform..secondly in waxaas dhan loo galo ma ahan...if he brings forth an accusation he must bring forth evidence for his accusation. The evidence he brought forward is from userupload site on italian website...the user doesnt name himself...the user doesnt give citations where he got it from...i want to see from historical book that says bender kassim italian navy were carried on their backs...the boqor was at war with italians they hated him...lol the u.n treaty clearly shows mj were the most resistance fighters and isaaq and hawiye majority were submitters.

http://untreaty.un.org/unts/60001_12000 ... 033833.pdf

poor kid, he hates mj that much he gotta go fake shit because he cant find nothing historically bad about mj...i study mj history PERFECT GRADE A..i study sland im finding more embarassing things..infact i am reading the isaaq treaty with the british they were called slaves sxb..where-as mj and warsans were called citizens under honourable treaty...

the kid got nothing on the honorable MJ's sxb..when ever you see him just think of this

[abdisamad3]

LOl abdisamad it wouldnt be the first time either..
Wiilka yar ee iidoor ee talyaaniga la weynyahay let me tell him a little bit about the italians and Suldaan Keynadiid.

"Suldaan Yuusuf Cali Keynadiid, oo isla sanadkaas ciidamadiisii ku baahiyay dhulka koonfurta ka xiga degaankii uu maamulkiisu ku ekaa. Goirgio Sorrentino oo xilligaas si toos ah u maamulayay maxmiyadaha Talyaaniga ee ku yeeshay koonfrta Soomaaliya, kadib markii uu sugay nabadgelyadii Banaadir ayuu bishii oktoober 1897-kii kormeer ku tegay dhulka gudaha ah ee ka koreeya degmada Warshiikh. G. Sorrentino ayaa jeeddadiisu ahayd in uu degaankaas sahmiyo, dabadeedna uu war-bixin siiyo dowladdiisii si degaanka loo gaarsiiyo maamulka dul-ilaalada ah ee Talyaaniga.

Sarkaalkaas ayaa wuxuu la kulmay ciidamadii suldaan Keynadiid oo ku soo fidaya, dhulka koonfurta ah, kuwaas oo xilligaas soo gaaray degaanka beelo kamid ah beelaha Abgaal. Sida uu arahyahankan xusay, Talyaanigu wuxuu isu diyaarinayay in duqeyda beelahan ay kamid noqdaan maxmiyadda Talyaaniga. War-bixintii uu dowladdiisa u soo jeediyay ayuu Goirgio Sorrentino wuxuu ku muujiyay labada mowqif ee dowladda Talyaaniga la gudboon. In ay Keynadiid u deyso dhulkaas uu isku fidinayo iyo in ay kula dirirto. Tabar-darrida haysay darteed ayuu Talyaanigii u daayey in Keynadiid ku qabsado dhlkaas. Sorrentino qudhiisu taladaas ayuu qaatay. (Italian Colonialism in Somalia. Robert L. Hess. 1966 p.127)."

This is how it was back in the days. Talyaaniga sidaa baan dhulka uga xoogi jirey macdaAllah inaan baryo

much respect to our Sultan..bro..and thanks for the info..

[usman-84]

Keyse besides your stuck with 1 dillema also...how is it historians say that italian somaliland navy wore dark color uniforms...as seen below here

Source:http://www.onwar.com/chrono/1941/feb41/11feb41.htm

That is italian navy admiral in the above picture when they were advancing into somalia...so if their navy wore that sort of uniform...how is it possible they wear white navy uniform as seen in the image u posted...white navy uniform was british navy not an italian navy....so u need to get around this dilemma first...once u get around that dillemma, then u need to get around the dilemma of historians backing this image up as authentic..why is their silence from historians, not 1 historian mentions it not even somalian historian for goodness sake...when u get around those two obstacles...then i have a few more regarding the ppl natives dress in 1936 in puntland..and its nothing like that..

[abdisamad3]

Keyse..i easily debunked it...1.no source except italian user that is anonymous...2. Italian Navy didnt wear white uniform but grey uniform..3. British navy wore white uniform so its probably berbera...4. United nations treaty shows mj didnt negioate but resisted...5. No historian says this all historians say mj were resistance fighters..

End of story keyse...u r dealing with uni graduate here, not some isaaq dude in merfish that will buy anything i see..

[Cumar-Labasuul]

Actually Cusmano if you look closely at the flag in the picture you can clearly see a cross which is identical to that of the flag of Italian Somaliland:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Somaliland

Therefore it is definitely somewhere in Italian Somaliland and if the source posted earlier is correct then it is Bosaso.

[usman-84]

I provided the source for what italian soldiers wear wearing in 1936 when they came to somalia. Their admiral of the navy was wearing grey uniforms and their navy was decked out in grey all of them. Marka trying to say 1936 italian navy wore white uniform will get u laughed at by any respectable historian. Secondly why doesn't any historian mentions this in any book of somalia? if it is true surely they can't miss such colonial images? Thirdly white uniforms were worn by the british navy..and where did the british go in somalia...i'll let u figure the rest out for yourself..

[GENERAL_SNM]

Cusmano look hard mate and tell me if those Italian uniforms are white enough..

[Ducaysane_87]

Cusmano look hard mate and tell me if those Italian uniforms are white enough..

this guy is blind of course their uniform was white enough

[usman-84]

Snm...first of all u need to post ur source so it can be verified...but dont worry i found it..
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... en_1_a.jpg

This is benito mussolini in 1935 at rome...benito mussolini was the president of italy not the navy captain...the navy didnt wear white uniforms..just because mussolini did..lol that means america president wheres black uniform and therefore america's navy wear black uniform...what sort of logic is this u r on sxb? waad wareersan tahay soo ma aha, because i exposed it to be fake.

Italian navy uniform was dark blue greyish color..secondly where did this image come from which historical book..how can someone in todays world know what happened in 1936 and yet no historians knows about it? lol...take that to university...and u will be told there is no verification this even occured..im searching thru 1936 records of italy navy in east africa now..not one mention of captain reaching bender qassim.nee

Like i said if this is true u need to prove it to be true...not me need to prove it true..u make accusation, u back it up...taking picture is very easily forgeable..and therefore u need someone who is trustworthy like historian to mention this event...but i will debunk it with more facts..im reading 1936 records of navies in somalia..and which towns they were in...and we will see where this picture most likely comes from...if their no mention of any italians in bender qassim in 1936..that is more proof to debunk this image...italians i know that were in puntland were in keenadid hobyo, caluula and hafun when they were warring against the boqor...

how can the boqor be warring against them and then lifting them up?...the whole story dont add up...but it is up to u to prove ur case by showing the historical book it comes from..which book? which author? italian records..if u talk like this in court of law the case is dismissed based on lack of evidence.