Sheik Shariif & Al Shabaab

[The Nomad]

Yes u can have the same ideology and be opposition to each other in politics and vice versa.

Incorrect:

"Ideology: such a body of doctrine, myth, etc., with reference to some political and social plan, as that of fascism, along with the devices for putting it into operation."

If their political plans are in opposition to each other they don't share the SAME ideology.

You're using words in the wrong context.

[Highland]

Shirib, they differ so much in idealogy. In his interview with VOA , he welcomes active participation of women in government policy formulation and actions. He also objects to the arbitrary application of physical amputation as a punishment for theft or larceny.

The only credit I have for Shariif and his Founders is beating Yusuf in his own game and convincing the major regional players that he is not in league with the radical global movement of al-Wahabiya.
Shariif is an opportunist warlord to the general public and puppet to the Wahabi Guards. He is now a worn-out and worthless experiment. We await his resignation or defeat.

[Grant]

Nomad,

There is no general codification of shariica for the simple reason that all of the many versions are culturally biased. The Pakistani version of huduud condones honor killings, for crying out loud! Recent Shabaabbi versions are singularly disgusting.

Codify your shariica and then let the ulemma have a look at it. Short of that, NO ONE has a clue what you are talking about......

[Shirib]

Same philosophy different method, Shirib?

Yes

[The Nomad]

Nomad,

There is no general codification of shariica for the simple reason that all of the many versions are culturally biased. The Pakistani version of huduud condones honor killings, for crying out loud! Recent Shabaabbi versions are singularly disgusting.

Can you show me where Al-Shabab through actions or statements have contradicted the Quran/Hadith? You're right, due to idiocy and innovation, there is no commonly agreed upon version of Sharia we can refer to.

Therefore it should be easy finding a condemnation of Al-Shabab's form of justice in the blueprint for any Islamic legal system, the Quran.

Right?

[Grant]

Nomad,

I would say the stoning of the 13 year old Jareer rape victim in Kismayu for adultery qualifies as a travesty of justice on multiple counts. I also know of no Quranic justification for exhuming bodies, even if they were Italians buried in Somali soil; and I say this about Ceyrow, knowing he was not tecnically a Shabaabbi. The ideologies are close enough.

Takfiir, and subsequent actions permitted by takfiir, puts a Muslim on dangerous ground. He would best be backed up by the sound religious judgement of a competant ulemma, which the Shabaab clearly lacks.

Genuine shariica does not condone the rash acts of an uneducated mob.

[Shirib]

Nomad,

I would say the stoning of the 13 year old Jareer rape victim in Kismayu for adultery qualifies as a travesty of justice on multiple counts. I also know of no Quranic justification for exhuming bodies, even if they were Italians buried in Somali soil; and I say this about Ceyrow, knowing he was not tecnically a Shabaabbi. The ideologies are close enough.

Takfiir, and subsequent actions permitted by takfiir, puts a Muslim on dangerous ground. He would best be backed up by the sound religious judgement of a competant ulemma, which the Shabaab clearly lacks.

Genuine shariica does not condone the rash acts of an uneducated mob.

How was Ceyrow not technically a Shabaabi when he was the leader of Shabaab?

That girl was not jareer my friend

[Grant]

Ok, Shirib, please fill me in. It is my understanding Ceyrow was killed before Shabaab became independant from the ICU. I also heard from multiple sources that the 13 year old was Jareer. If not, what clan was she?

[AbdiWahab252]

I look forward to the day when wadaads only preach at 4 places: Dugsi, Masjidka, Nikaaxs and Tacsi.

[The Nomad]

Nomad,I would say the stoning of the 13 year old Jareer rape victim in Kismayu for adultery qualifies as a travesty of justice on multiple counts.

Never happened. Shabab have explicitly denied it.

I also know of no Quranic justification for exhuming bodies, even if they were Italians buried in Somali soil; and I say this about Ceyrow, knowing he was not tecnically a Shabaabbi. The ideologies are close enough.

I'm not asking for lack of justification. I'm asking for condemnation.

Takfiir, and subsequent actions permitted by takfiir, puts a Muslim on dangerous ground. He would best be backed up by the sound religious judgement of a competant ulemma, which the Shabaab clearly lacks.

Naturally. 'Competent ulema' is a subjective term. I find that their religious guidance is more than competent, and their takfir is justified.

Genuine shariica does not condone the rash acts of an uneducated mob.

Agreed. Good thing Shabab aren't an uneducated mob.

[Shirib]

Ok, Shirib, please fill me in. It is my understanding Ceyrow was killed before Shabaab became independant from the ICU. I also heard from multiple sources that the 13 year old was Jareer. If not, what clan was she?

No Ceyrow was killed after they had already split up. Al Shabaab and ICU split up right after ICU set up shop in Asmara. When Ceyrow was killed he was the leader of Al Shabaab.

The girl wasn't jareer, I can't say exactly what clan she was, heard different clans MJ, Abgaal, Galgala, Gaaljecel, etc. but from the video where her supposed father spoke, she was not jareer

[Garuun]

sh. shariif has golden chance.but once you make trip to addis abab and become puppet you have no value in somalia as politician...you are finito

[gemini07]

Ok, Shirib, please fill me in. It is my understanding Ceyrow was killed before Shabaab became independant from the ICU. I also heard from multiple sources that the 13 year old was Jareer. If not, what clan was she?

No Ceyrow was killed after they had already split up. Al Shabaab and ICU split up right after ICU set up shop in Asmara. When Ceyrow was killed he was the leader of Al Shabaab.

The girl wasn't jareer, I can't say exactly what clan she was, heard different clans MJ, Abgaal, Galgala, Gaaljecel, etc. but from the video where her supposed father spoke, she was not jareer

Miskiinta was not Majerteen.

[hanqadh]

Sheikh sharif is Muslim brotherhood( perhaps going back to his days in Sudan, The only country the muslim brotherhood has taken power) while Al-shabab are what are referred to as salafi or Wahabi school of thought.

The ICU we're a collection of courts, they we're not Universal in their ideology.

[Grant]

Nomad,I would say the stoning of the 13 year old Jareer rape victim in Kismayu for adultery qualifies as a travesty of justice on multiple counts.

Never happened. Shabab have explicitly denied it.

And you believe them?