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Re: Why Evolution is True

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Voltage wrote:Survival of the fittest has nothing to do with races. :mrgreen:
They wouldn't say that directly... but that is the implications. Fitness is when a certain gene causes more progeny than another either by more successful reproduction or increased survival due to that trait, true? In animals it is the fastest/strongest species with regards to prey....some male birds attract mates better due to song/ color and what not...

What would 'fitness' mean for us humans....? And what phenotype has nature selected for us?
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Re: Why Evolution is True

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You are mixing up a lot of basic biology but let me tell you walaal fitness has zero to do with how strong you are, it is just how you reproduce. And between the many process that can be taken into account such genetic drift, mutation, gene flow, etc your ability to "reproduce" has nothing to do with how "strong you are".

You can take a white man and a black man and have them reproduce in Siberia. The white man can be more suited to that cold and can need less energy to sleep with as much women as possible while the black man needs to recharge or can attract those ladies, but because of an occurance like genetic drift...the black man can have better "fitness" and beat that white guy in his element.
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Voltage wrote:You are mixing up a lot of basic biology but let me tell you walaal fitness has zero to do with how strong you are, it is just how you reproduce. And between the many process that can be taken into account such genetic drift, mutation, gene flow, etc your ability to "reproduce" has nothing to do with how "strong you are".

You can take a white man and a black man and have them reproduce in Siberia. The white man can be more suited to that cold and can need less energy to sleep with as much women as possible while the black man needs to recharge or can attract those ladies, but because of an occurance like genetic drift...the black man can have better "fitness" and beat that white guy in his element.

Fitness has two aspects pertaining to it, reproduction & essentially survival...while reproduction alone can yield higher rates of offspring left with that given phenotype, organisms level of adaptation to that environment contributes to the amount of progeny left. Take for example citizens of Somalia, they reproduce alot however that reproduction is counter-balanced by the amount of killing, famine and what not. This aspect of 'fitness' is crucial as it contributes directly to the amount of progeny that is left behind.

In certain animals fitness is essentially how strong the male is as it attracts mates...however assuming all races reproduce at relatively equal rates, what would determine our fitness ...?

Anyhows, good night, I ought to get some rest.... I shall check this later :P
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Re: Why Evolution is True

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For the last time fitness has nothing to do with how "strong" you are! :lol:
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Voltage wrote:For the last time fitness has nothing to do with how "strong" you are! :lol:

If strength attracts more mates in species....then off course it does! :roll:

However strength isn't always the determinate of reproductive success in all species..
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Narcissistic wrote:strength isn't the determinate of reproductive success
Thank you, and hence why "survival of the fittest" is misunderstood. :up:
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I missed out on a crucial word. Now that I have edited it we can agree to disagree. :P
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Re: Why Evolution is True

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Prophet Adam possibly did NOT look like them modern human today. He was probably larger, hair-ier, and stronger. The weather then was at its peak and harsh. I say humans have evolved through time with the determinate factors of weather, diet and living standard improvement--which has resulted to the modern hair-less feeble human. :lol:
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Re: Why Evolution is True

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Narcissistic wrote:Gee, I get enough of this from my professors'... Had to cram some of this b.s for my bio exam. I dunno if it was the cramming but evolution on a macro level is something I find conceptually incoherent, sorry but Darwin was just some God-forsaken closet racist.
ABSOLUTELY; EXCEPT HE WASN'T A CLOSET RACIST HE WAS VERY OVERT ABOUT IT. IN FACT THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND THIS SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST. WAS TO JUSTIFY THE EXTERMINATION OF ABORIGINAL RACES BY THE EUROPEANS.IT'S NOT FOR NOTHING THAT THE FULL TITLE OF HIS WORKS WAS CALLED ."Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life".IN OTHER WORD THE FAVOURED RACE WAS THE EUROPEAN.AND ANYBODY ELSE WAS WEAK DO TO NATURAL SELECTION.
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Re: Why Evolution is True

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Hoowle wrote:
Voltage wrote:Remember the whole descendent from monkeys thing
What descent from Monkeys?



no one descent from monkeys. :lol: :lol: This theory comes from a qawm that was turned into monkeys after they desobey the words of alah. They didnt get 2 live to reproduce. Thats wot the religion says anyway.
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