Should Somaliland establish diplomatic relations with Isreal

[Oxidant]

Somaliland is a joke. Ethiopia doesn’t even take it serious. You think a country with Israel which has pressing matters care about a desert in Somalia. Again, there are many other countries which have a greater claim to being an independent state than Somaliland.

VIVA SSC

[Goljano Lion]

http://www.awdalnews.com/wmview.php?ArtID=5363

Editorial - Arabs can no longer scare Somaliland with their Israeli bogeyman stories

Since Somaliland emerged from the dysfunctional union with Somalia 14 years ago, Arab countries not only turned a deaf ear to its issue but also took every opportunity to witch-hunt every initiative Somaliland makes to attract world attention and scare it with their hackneyed story of Israeli bogeyman.

One cannot read any report on Somaliland in the Arab media without such a bogeyman attached to it. In all the interviews the Arab media conducted with Somaliland officials from the day it restored its sovereignty on May 18, 1991 until now, it never failed to raise the phantom issue of Somaliland seeking to establish relations with Israel. Fictional stories are rife in the Arab media of Israeli diplomats, agricultural experts and clandestine Jewish hordes descending on the Somaliland soil with the aim of carving off this strategically located country from the Arab body and positioning themselves to keep a hawkish eye on Arab economic nerve centers.

The Arab media had kept Somaliland leaders, from Abdulrahman Ahmed Ali through Mohammed Ibrahim Egal to current President Dahir Riyale Kahin, on the defensive, always trying to ward off such outlandish, ludicrous and unfounded accusations.

Being privy to Arab hypocrisy and their hedging tactics to sidestep their obligations, Somaliland leaders never miss to hold a mirror up to the face of the Arabs and challenge them to call a spade a spade. It was the experienced statesman Mohammed I. Egal who challenged the Arabs to practice what they preached. In his first interview with the pan-Arab Al Jazeera satellite television, Egal reminded his interviewer that it was the Arabs and not Somaliland that had relations with Israel. He tacitly pointed out that Arabs should not throw stones when they lived in glass houses.

Many years after Egal's interview and at a time when the Arab psyche was undergoing a testing time and a Tsunami political change was lashing at Arab capitals it was unfortunate to see Al Jazeera posing the same question to democratically elected President Dahir Riyale Kahin of Somaliland in an interview aired this week. Kahin was swift to return the accusation where it was due. " There are many Arab countries", he said, "which have excellent relations with Israel why should Somaliland be different?" Though he made it clear that Somaliland had yet to establish diplomatic relations with Israel, he scoffed at the Arab mentality of using the name of Israel as a bogeyman to scare off other Muslim countries while they themselves have direct and indirect ties with the Jewish state. "When our interests dictate us to establish ties with Israel we will do it," he said. President Kahin wondered why the Arabs were worried about Somaliland's relations with anyone else when they had taken an undeclared collective position to thwart Somaliland's quest for nationhood.

Here one may remind the Arabs that it is not Israel that banned the import of Somaliland livestock, the backbone of this impoverished country's economy, to force it to relinquish its sovereignty, it is not Israel that campaigns against Somaliland's voice to be heard in Arab, African and European capitals and it is not Israel that lobbies against Somaliland's political recognition in the UN's corridors. Somalilanders know it is the Arabs and not Israel who commit all these crimes against their people. One may also like to point out one historical fact that the Arabs may not be aware of; it was Israel which was the first country to recognize Somaliland and voted for its UN membership when that Horn of African country gained its independence on June 16, 1960 while Egypt with all its anti-colonial and pan Arab slogans abstained from voting.

Arabs should know also that Somaliland is country, which has decided its fate by itself and established democratic institutions without any foreign pressure. It is therefore imperative for Somalilanders to decide with whom they should have or not have relations without any a foreign influence; or fear of concealed threats.

We say kudos to Somaliland President for saying the right words and showing the Arabs they can't preach what they can't practice

[grandpakhalif]

The Whole Point of Somaliland was to gain Political Attention from "other" Somalis iyo the International Community, it was never actually meant to secede. Egal felt like a forgotten lost little boy in the middle of no where. After the overthrow of Siyad Barre the International community stepped into Somali Politics and in every Somali Peace conference Darood iyo Hawiye were the only people spoken off and every other Somalis didn't really exist, that must have really pissed of Egal who was sitting in most of these conferences.

I believe the objective has been reached, atleast that of Egal, Ildoors will not be a Major Political player in Somali Politics anytime soon but at least your name will be said at the conference table and your voices will be heard. One step at a time you never know one day, just like Obama became President of the United States we just might make an Ildoor a President about 50 years from now.

This whole seceesionist ideology came into play as Somalis continue to ignore you and the International Community. This threat of seceding is really a joke and those that take it to heat are fools.

Wallahi this is the most truthful statement ever made in this forum. Idoors cannot compete with other clans in the Somali Politics as a whole so they have to create their own little clan enclave to be recognized, they know that gadabursi has a better chance of playing an important political presence in Somalia (even dahir riyaale knows this and is making big cash , out of the big "jewish like" dream") even bantu have more say . Thanks somali boqor for opening my eyes to the facade of "somaliland".

[poiuyt]

What does Somaliland have to offer Israel? What can Israel gain by establishing contacts with you?

[Goljano Lion]

What does Somaliland have to offer Israel? What can Israel gain by establishing contacts with you?

Israel could provide security assistance and military expertise to the people and the Republic of Somaliland ..
who needs the Arabs

[poiuyt]

What does Somaliland have to offer Israel? What can Israel gain by establishing contacts with you?

Israel could provide security assistance and military expertise to the people and the Republic of Somaliland ..
who needs the Arabs

That's an answer to a question I didn't ask.

Here's what I asked:

What does Somaliland have to offer Israel?

What can Israel gain by establishing contacts with you?

It's easy to see what Israel can do for Somaliland, but what can Somaliland do for Israel? Why would Israel defy the United States, Europe, and Arab countries it has diplomatic relations with by recognizing Somaliland For what gain?

[Goljano Lion]

The Whole Point of Somaliland was to gain Political Attention from "other" Somalis iyo the International Community, it was never actually meant to secede. Egal felt like a forgotten lost little boy in the middle of no where. After the overthrow of Siyad Barre the International community stepped into Somali Politics and in every Somali Peace conference Darood iyo Hawiye were the only people spoken off and every other Somalis didn't really exist, that must have really pissed of Egal who was sitting in most of these conferences.

I believe the objective has been reached, atleast that of Egal, Ildoors will not be a Major Political player in Somali Politics anytime soon but at least your name will be said at the conference table and your voices will be heard. One step at a time you never know one day, just like Obama became President of the United States we just might make an Ildoor a President about 50 years from now.

This whole seceesionist ideology came into play as Somalis continue to ignore you and the International Community. This threat of seceding is really a joke and those that take it to heat are fools.

Wallahi this is the most truthful statement ever made in this forum. Idoors cannot compete with other clans in the Somali Politics as a whole so they have to create their own little clan enclave to be recognized, they know that gadabursi has a better chance of playing an important political presence in Somalia (even dahir riyaale knows this and is making big cash , out of the big "jewish like" dream") even bantu have more say . Thanks somali boqor for opening my eyes to the facade of "somaliland".

KULHA, compete, dude Jebertis as clan have become endangered species and insignificant when it comes to Somali politics, the only card they play is a fake Somali nationalism and somaliweyn

[Cali_Gaab]

The Whole Point of Somaliland was to gain Political Attention from "other" Somalis iyo the International Community, it was never actually meant to secede. Egal felt like a forgotten lost little boy in the middle of no where. After the overthrow of Siyad Barre the International community stepped into Somali Politics and in every Somali Peace conference Darood iyo Hawiye were the only people spoken off and every other Somalis didn't really exist, that must have really pissed of Egal who was sitting in most of these conferences.

I believe the objective has been reached, atleast that of Egal, Ildoors will not be a Major Political player in Somali Politics anytime soon but at least your name will be said at the conference table and your voices will be heard. One step at a time you never know one day, just like Obama became President of the United States we just might make an Ildoor a President about 50 years from now.

This whole seceesionist ideology came into play as Somalis continue to ignore you and the International Community. This threat of seceding is really a joke and those that take it to heat are fools.

This guy is socially and politically retarded, every statement he utters beats his previous bollox.
I'll take you serious when you can enlighten me on the highlighted and underlined part of your text.

1. When did these Hawiye/Darood conferences take place (starting from the first date and ending with the last)
2. Which one of these conferences was Cigaal present, i do recall you claiming it to be a 'Darood/Hawiye' conference.

If you wish, feel free to copy and paste other peoples posts from Somaliaonline, 'lad'

[Goljano Lion]

The Whole Point of Somaliland was to gain Political Attention from "other" Somalis iyo the International Community, it was never actually meant to secede. Egal felt like a forgotten lost little boy in the middle of no where. After the overthrow of Siyad Barre the International community stepped into Somali Politics and in every Somali Peace conference Darood iyo Hawiye were the only people spoken off and every other Somalis didn't really exist, that must have really pissed of Egal who was sitting in most of these conferences.

I believe the objective has been reached, atleast that of Egal, Ildoors will not be a Major Political player in Somali Politics anytime soon but at least your name will be said at the conference table and your voices will be heard. One step at a time you never know one day, just like Obama became President of the United States we just might make an Ildoor a President about 50 years from now.

This whole seceesionist ideology came into play as Somalis continue to ignore you and the International Community. This threat of seceding is really a joke and those that take it to heat are fools.

This guy is socially and politically retarded, every statement he utters beats his previous bollox.
I'll take you serious when you can enlighten me on the highlighted and underlined part of your text.

1. When did these Hawiye/Darood conferences take place (starting from the first date and ending with the last)
2. Which one of these conferences was Cigaal present, i do recall you claiming it to be a 'Darood/Hawiye' conference.

If you wish, feel free to copy and paste other peoples posts from Somaliaonline, 'lad'

Cali

Boqoradu is dhabaycao trolls ,as we know trolls just want to be a nuisance in a thread Boqoradu isn’t mature enough to have a sensible conversation, and when you are ignore him, his messages become more and more maalacyani, and he posts even more of them as usual

[Xamud.]

What does Somaliland have too offer Isreal? they have nothing too offer Isreal so what makes you think Isreal would wan`t too join forces with a 3 world country who can`t even host fair and legit elections? the only thing Somaliland got today that is worth mentioning is peace, don`t get me wrong peace is important and it`s very crucial but what is Isreal gonna benefit from it?

[Cali_Gaab]

For one, they can have a military base in a strategic location, away from the wolves they're surrounded by.

[Xamud.]

For one, they can have a military base in a strategic location, away from the wolves they're surrounded by.

And do what? why would any muslim in he`s right mind join forces with Isreal? it`s beyond me wallahi.

[Cali_Gaab]

And why would we need top join the 'muslims' of Somalia?
What is the difference between a non-muslim and a non-practising muslim?

[Xamud.]

Who said anything about joining Somalia? so you would rather join Isreal just so you wouldent be associated with Somalia or Somalis? Cajiiib.

[Cali_Gaab]

Without a doubt.