UN Food Aid Program Stopped due to Shabab

[The Nomad]

Nomad

Are you naively trying to insinuate Eritrea receives ZERO foreign aid? Facts to back that assertion, I presume.

What? Are you illiterate? Do you understand the difference between foreign aid and food aid? Do you understand the difference between receiving aid and utilizing aid?

Do you even know what an assertion is?

It's actually astonishing how somebody can pack so much idiocy into a single post in a vain attempt to sound halfway intelligent

Just save yourself some dignity and stay quiet.

[James Dahl]

It isn't even necessary. I don't know about other regions, but Sanaag is well-irrigated and the sea is made use of in a practical manner rather than acting as a dumping ground for bodies, hence the words 'food aid' evoking confusion, because Sanaagians have never had any use for it. If Eritrea which is more arid than Somalia (South in particular)is able to feed it's population without charity, Somalia can too.

To be fair to poor Marie Antoinette, she never said that, and was actually one of the few people in the French court who actually cared that people were starving. They made up all kinds of horrible things about her because the French hated her because she was Austrian.

Also, all the people who knew how to farm have fled Somalia as refugees. They might come back if the Mushunguli and Somali Bantu were offered free land and guaranteed security.

[michael_ital]

NoMind

Quit behaving like an hysterical bleeding dhoocil. Same f-king difference. E-f-king-Ritrea is NOT self sufficient in any way shape or form, you stupid f-king xabaash.

[Mad May]

I read that Eritreans were fleeing to Ethiopia of all places because of gaajo
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8428492.stm

[Voltage]

The irony is I was having a conversation with a person who is part of NGO in Somalia just two weeks ago and he was saying how Somalis are more reliant on themselves now then ever before even when a government existed. Again, this is a POSITIVE STEP. I don't envy them nor will I say it will be smooth but in the long run it will be good for them.

[The Nomad]

Also, all the people who knew how to farm have fled Somalia as refugees. They might come back if the Mushunguli and Somali Bantu were offered free land and guaranteed security.

You make it sound as if agriculture is difficult, James. The culture of relying on others to do worthwhile jobs perceived as 'ignoble' is the reason why famine is half as destructive as it is in Somalia.

I think learning the skills ourself is preferable to pandering to foreigners or being reliant on minorities. If you don't know how to farm, learn how to farm.

[James Dahl]

Also, all the people who knew how to farm have fled Somalia as refugees. They might come back if the Mushunguli and Somali Bantu were offered free land and guaranteed security.

You make it sound as if agriculture is difficult, James. The culture of relying on others to do worthwhile jobs perceived as 'ignoble' is the reason why famine is half as destructive as it is in Somalia.

I think learning the skills ourself is preferable to pandering to foreigners or being reliant on minorities. If you don't know how to farm, learn how to farm.

I come from a farming family, so I can tell you that farming is something that requires a large amount of knowledge as well as 'lore'. The knowledge can be gained at schools that teach agriculture, or being taught as a child, but the 'lore' (what crops work well in the environment, knowing the seasons and what to plant when, knowledge of the soil and what to rotate and when) can only be gained by generations worth of farming in that particular place.

Just because it's looked down on by Somali society doesn't mean it's easy. Farming effectively requires a large amount of knowledge.

[The Nomad]

I come from a farming family, so I can tell you that farming is something that requires a large amount of knowledge as well as 'lore'. The knowledge can be gained at schools that teach agriculture, or being taught as a child, but the 'lore' (what crops work well in the environment, knowing the seasons and what to plant when, knowledge of the soil and what to rotate and when) can only be gained by generations worth of farming in that particular place.

Just because it's looked down on by Somali society doesn't mean it's easy. Farming effectively requires a large amount of knowledge.

With all due respect, whether or not you consider it 'easy', agriculture does not need anything other than common sense and basic science to excel in (most of which is already present in Somalia). I don't think giving free land to the Mushunguli is a more practical solution than making widespread a few simple techniques necessary to begin food production, but the information required to begin growing food and maintaining a plot of land is rudimentary.

Subsistence farming is probably the simplest thing known to man, there's a reason why it's always been a staple among the uneducated. The knowledge gained in specialist schools, etc. is not what the average geeljire who's hit hard times needs to know.

[Voltage]

We see a social evolution right before our eyes. How dare Somali continue to be on food aid when we can self-sustain. Reer Garbahareey are finally learning and willing to farm. They are joining the civilized world.





Deegaano Hoos Yimaado Degmada Garbahaarey Oo Bilaabay Beerashada Khudarada Cagaaran Iyo Suuqyada Magaalada Oo Durbadiiba Loo Beec Keenay (Daawo Sawirada)
Nov 21,2009
by Garbahaarey-Gedo-News

Inkastoo aysan magaalada Garbahaarey ee xarunta Gobolka Gedo aysan horey u lahayn dhulbeered ay ka soo go’do khudaarta noocyadeeda kala gadisan ayaa hadana waxaa markii ugu horeeyay ay bilaabeen qaar ka mid ah beeralayda Garbahaarey beerashada khudaarta, iyadoo haatanba la suuq keenay qaar kamid ah khudaarta ka soo go’day beero hoos yimaado magaalada Garbahaarey.

Baarliin Maxamed Jaamac waa hooyo kamid ah hooyooyinka ku nool degmada G/haarey waxayna dhowaan billowday beerasha qudaarta nooc yadeeda kaladuwan iyadoona beer ceel gacmeed ah ka tabcatay dhulka beeralayda ah ee Dhoofaarey kaasoo qiyaastii u jiro garbaharey 3km, waxayna ku guulaysatay in ay suuqa soo galiso khudaar ka soo go’day beerteeda Dhoofaarey.

Mar aan Baarliin Maxmed Jaamac ku buuqday beerteeda ayay ii sheegtay in uu fakarkaan ku dhashay kadib markii ay aragtay qiimaha ay qudaarta ka joogta degmada G/haarey ee xarunta G/Gedo, hase yeeshee beerliin ayaa dhinaca kale xustay in aysan jirin wax ka taageeray dhinaca qalabka iyadoona sheegtay in ay beerteeda ku waraabiso Ceelgacmeed, balse waxay Baarliin xustay in ay muhiim u ahaan lahayd in ay hesho Matoor ay beerta saarto.

Si kastaba ha ahaatee waa markii ugu horeysay oo beero caynkani oo kala ah laga tabco deegaano hoos yimaado degmada Garbaharey ee xarunta Gobolka Gedo, waxaana markiiba billowday tabcashada beeraha lagu beero qudaarta noocyadeeda kala gadisan.


Gedo News Network
Garbaharey Gedo Somalia

[The Nomad]

^

Good to see. I had a document detailing the most arable areas in Somalia (not solely in terms of rainfall, but current production, potential once fully irrigated etc.) with predicted figures. It was useful, would be great to come across it again.

The project in Shabelaha Hoose in '08 will be a sign of things to come, insha'allah:

Has been mainly successful in rehabilitating canals, providing flood relief, improving irrigation and water supply, increasing arable land (from 3500 to 1600 ha) and contributing to peaceful coexistence of beneficiaries. However, oversettlement has led to competition among communities. Also, high levels of silt requiring training for annual desilting. Recommendations are: technical changes to minimize silt and salinity in fields, barrage contruction, hiring of maintenance staff and development of maintenance manual and formation of a Middle Shabelle River Authority (MSRA), or similar to preside over the integrated management of the water resources in the region.

First thing that should be done is an expansion of spate irrigation, which is financially viable and very beneficial particularly for areas with an overflow of water (coast and the rivers).

[surrender]

Abdiwahab you making it sound like inay UN naquudiso? Somalis or Africa as a whole would be better of without handouts from food agencies, like UN. Food aid agencies are more concentrated than financial aid on the poorer countries, particularly on Africa and Bangladesh. Ever wonder why? So we can depend on them for the rest of our lives because they undermine self-reliance of the local farmers. After all it does discourage local production. And, since the poor often are concentrated in rural areas, food aid in fact may extremely hurt the poor. They give these poor people in Africa the ultimatum (in subliminal way) by saying, you either have Aid or nothing, there is no middle ground. To top that up notice UN food Aid programmes has much more political support than say financial aid in donor countries, ever wonder why?

Good riddance to them and their qashin.

[paidmonk]

On this topic we have Emperior, Abdiwahab, a White guy and a lesbian as the only people disagreeing with this positive step. Reeks of their agenda, they can't even pretend to be this stupid to believe UNAid is in any way positive.

[Cinque Mtume]

E-f-king-Ritrea

Eri-f-king-Trea dude, it's Eri-f-king-Trea.

[L@fweyne]

I don't think surrender would have said that if this was puntland region instead of the south.

[surrender]