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Paddington Bear wrote:

Xashi wrote:This man claims that Islam oppresses women. Anyone who supports him or his ideas is an emeny to Islam. I advise you not to commit kufr just to get a few replies.

I am not sure if you have inside information about the man and his faith but if we were judge him on the words written above then what you seem to be accusing him of is very unfair, my friend. Is it what he is saying or what you think he is saying? This is his last line. Read it.

For every denial of rights a woman faces, whether it is not being able to drive a car, go to school, have a fair share of inheritance, marry the man she loves, take part in public decision-making, or simply wear what she chooses, it is always Islam that is put as a tall wall before her. I wonder when Muslim scholars will stop being apologetic and sift the right from the wrong in Islam to give women their right place in society.

Now, unless you have information about the man’s apostasy I think it is fair to assume he is (still) a Muslim. If we’re agreed on that, we can then move on to his words and see what he’s trying to say...

Well, he is not saying anything new here. It is the same argument EVERY Muslim has made in his/her life before (you just can’t see it now). Just like some Muslims dispute Al Shabab’s interpretation of the faith and just like Al Shabab question other Muslim’s interpretation of the religion and just like you would question me and I would quiz you, Bashir here is questioning the application of the faith when it comes to women. But (and this is where I was forced to extend him the benefit of the doubt), he does not question it and imply that his way is better (not that he suggested a way to start with), he invites the scholars to have another look at things and clarify matters for all. Is that such a bad thing?

When I first read the article, I got the man’s message but found his delivery somewhat distasteful. But when I read your reply (about him being an enemy of Islam), I saw a clear and living example of what Mr Goth is talking about.

You’re far too hasty, brother. Play the ball, not the man.

kambuli wrote:Someone can blame and critisize a so called muslim, but can't bash Islam...We need to understand the difference between that.

There are people who call themselves muslims and do more harm to Islam and muslims than the so called Kufars...

Who destroyed and still destroying our country? Kufars or so called muslims...

If this Bashiir bashes Islam then he transgressed big time...Is he muslim by the way? I just assumed that he calls himself a muslim...

Xashi wrote:

Bashir Goth praising Salman Rushdie. "Salman Rushdie is considered to be one of the most illustrious and creative writers of the late 20th century". He even goes further to praise Britain for honoring him. Tries his best to make a case for him and pretty much tells muslims to shut their mouth. Here is the full article.

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=6055

In almost all his articles he is some way attacking Islam.

Another thing you you must noticed is this man is not only attacking muslims but Islam in general. His whole argument is that Islam should be reformed as stated in the article posted on this same topic.

"In almost every report and study prepared on the situation of women, Muslim and Arab intellectuals fail to mention Islam as part of the problem".

He tries to walk a thin line to confuse the readers. At times he writes of how Islam was practiced before the extremist and at times he attacks Islam itself.

If his disbelief is hidden from that does not mean that it is hidden from everyone else.

P.S. Im the last person to call someone a kafir without prove because i understand how dangerous that is but this man is not new to us.

For every denial of rights a woman faces, whether it is not being able to drive a car, go to school, have a fair share of inheritance, marry the man she loves, take part in public decision-making, or simply wear what she chooses, it is always Islamists that is put as a tall wall before her. I wonder when Muslim scholars will stop being apologetic and convey the wrong in Islamist thought to give women their right place in society

This was however in the past when Islam lived in ideal co-habitation with the local culture, when fashion changed according to time and age. This was the time when one could pray occasionally, or never prayed at all, fasted in the month of Ramadan or never fasted at all, made pilgrimage to Mecca or never did at all; but would forever consider oneself a true follower of Islam, knowing that to be a Moslem is a bond between man and God and that one’s faith is not answerable to anyone else.

It happened that I was reading a report about the opening of an exhibition on African hairstyles over the centuries in Paris, called “Parures de Tjte (literally, head costumes). The report said that at the Musie Dapper headdresses, masks, statutes and hair accessories, some 100 pieces from tribal groups hailing from approximately 20 countries, show the primordial role of the hair in ancient African societies. It continued to say that given that black people have been perfecting the art of hair since long before Africa wore the political boundaries that it does today, it was probably a natural outcome that their tresses now have an impact on hairstylists the world over. I asked myself, yeah. How much contribution do my people have in this? May be some pictures from the good old days, before modern fanatics reduced Islam into a jealous guardian of Harem’s (women) hair, cheeks, arms, shins, feet, voice and smile.

Sufism, however, which was the Somali way of Islam and which Wahhabism condemns as a heresy, reaches out to the heart and good sense of all mankind without distinction. Instead of shunning all other faiths and branding them as bogus religions, Sufism sees all faiths as equally valid, following directly God’s words “wheresoever ye turn, there is the face of God.” Where Wahhabism sows hatred and rancor even among Moslems, Sufism preaches sulh-e kull (universal peace) and Mahabbat e-kull (universal love).

These people are out to eradicate our culture, our traditions, our songs, our poetry and our folklore dances. They brand our traditional children stories of Diin iyo Dacawo (dawaco), arrawelo and dheg-dheer as bawdy literature that has no place in the puritanical society that they aspire to build. Forget about Ina Xagaa Dheere’s satirical anecdotes, which the fanatics want to discard from our people’s memory. For these fanatics, the breast of the countryside mother who suckles her baby while selling milk in the streets of Hargeisa is a sin, not motherhood as many of our ordinary souls would see it. It is this obsession with sex, this concept of viewing women only as an object of sex, created for man’s libido relief, that turned women’s body into a thing of shame. The concept is that just like one cannot display sex organs in public, women as objects of sex, not human beings with intelligence and rights, should always remain under cover. Hence, we shall never have models and beauty queens to publicize the beauty of our women down the catwalks of Paris, New York and London. It may be worth to mention here that on the several occasions that the name Somali caught international media, other than civil wars and Black Hawk down, were associated with women. It was Iman, that Somali model, who made the name Somali synonymous with such exotic, unique and Cushitic beauty. Weris Deiria is now making headlines despite the daily curses and ridicule she receives from die-hard fundamentalists. It is also since that astute and clear-headed lady, Edna Adan Ismail, has become Somaliland’s Foreign Minister, that the international community is lending an ear to Somaliland’s case.

I have to mention here that when I step out into the street in the morning I see groups of girls waiting for school buses; all of them Arabs except for two Somali girls. All the Arab girls of all nationalities look bubbly, tossing their beautiful uncovered hairs and showing off their latest hairstyles. Even those with head covers threw it lightly on the shoulders or barely on the back of the head. They even sometime waved hello for me or for my son. The two Somali girls, however, were fully shrouded with black from head to toe. One could barely see their eyes and they even wore black heavy socks on their feet. Their unique Somali features wrapped into a shapeless form, their shy and modest smiles buried and a kind of heavy footed, reptile shuffling replacing their elegant, Somali-only, rolling hip-walk. The black veil and the black skin also make a very sad and unwelcome combination, while the contrast between a black veil and a fair skin at least mitigates the gloomy impact for Arab women. I wonder: when did my people become more Arab than Arabs? When I met some of the Arab girls later in life, we often recognized each other and exchanged smiles, hellos, how-are-yous and pleasant good byes.

FAH1223 wrote:

kambuli wrote:Someone can blame and critisize a so called muslim, but can't bash Islam...We need to understand the difference between that.

There are people who call themselves muslims and do more harm to Islam and muslims than the so called Kufars...

Who destroyed and still destroying our country? Kufars or so called muslims...

If this Bashiir bashes Islam then he transgressed big time...Is he muslim by the way? I just assumed that he calls himself a muslim...

he seems like a gaal

if you read closely, he is attacking Islam not Muslims really

saying Islam oppresses women is

I have to mention here that when I step out into the street in the morning I see groups of girls waiting for school buses; all of them Arabs except for two Somali girls. All the Arab girls of all nationalities look bubbly, tossing their beautiful uncovered hairs and showing off their latest hairstyles. Even those with head covers threw it lightly on the shoulders or barely on the back of the head. They even sometime waved hello for me or for my son. The two Somali girls, however, were fully shrouded with black from head to toe. One could barely see their eyes and they even wore black heavy socks on their feet. Their unique Somali features wrapped into a shapeless form, their shy and modest smiles buried and a kind of heavy footed, reptile shuffling replacing their elegant, Somali-only, rolling hip-walk. The black veil and the black skin also make a very sad and unwelcome combination, while the contrast between a black veil and a fair skin at least mitigates the gloomy impact for Arab women. I wonder: when did my people become more Arab than Arabs? When I met some of the Arab girls later in life, we often recognized each other and exchanged smiles, hellos, how-are-yous and pleasant good byes.

Mad May wrote:

I have to mention here that when I step out into the street in the morning I see groups of girls waiting for school buses; all of them Arabs except for two Somali girls. All the Arab girls of all nationalities look bubbly, tossing their beautiful uncovered hairs and showing off their latest hairstyles. Even those with head covers threw it lightly on the shoulders or barely on the back of the head. They even sometime waved hello for me or for my son. The two Somali girls, however, were fully shrouded with black from head to toe. One could barely see their eyes and they even wore black heavy socks on their feet. Their unique Somali features wrapped into a shapeless form, their shy and modest smiles buried and a kind of heavy footed, reptile shuffling replacing their elegant, Somali-only, rolling hip-walk. The black veil and the black skin also make a very sad and unwelcome combination, while the contrast between a black veil and a fair skin at least mitigates the gloomy impact for Arab women. I wonder: when did my people become more Arab than Arabs? When I met some of the Arab girls later in life, we often recognized each other and exchanged smiles, hellos, how-are-yous and pleasant good byes.

Good question
Even better question, what is this middle aged farax watching school-girls for

Mad May wrote:

I have to mention here that when I step out into the street in the morning I see groups of girls waiting for school buses; all of them Arabs except for two Somali girls. All the Arab girls of all nationalities look bubbly, tossing their beautiful uncovered hairs and showing off their latest hairstyles. Even those with head covers threw it lightly on the shoulders or barely on the back of the head. They even sometime waved hello for me or for my son. The two Somali girls, however, were fully shrouded with black from head to toe. One could barely see their eyes and they even wore black heavy socks on their feet. Their unique Somali features wrapped into a shapeless form, their shy and modest smiles buried and a kind of heavy footed, reptile shuffling replacing their elegant, Somali-only, rolling hip-walk. The black veil and the black skin also make a very sad and unwelcome combination, while the contrast between a black veil and a fair skin at least mitigates the gloomy impact for Arab women. I wonder: when did my people become more Arab than Arabs? When I met some of the Arab girls later in life, we often recognized each other and exchanged smiles, hellos, how-are-yous and pleasant good byes.

Good question
Even better question, what is this middle aged farax watching school-girls for

Paddington Bear wrote:

FAH1223 wrote:

kambuli wrote:Someone can blame and critisize a so called muslim, but can't bash Islam...We need to understand the difference between that.

There are people who call themselves muslims and do more harm to Islam and muslims than the so called Kufars...

Who destroyed and still destroying our country? Kufars or so called muslims...

If this Bashiir bashes Islam then he transgressed big time...Is he muslim by the way? I just assumed that he calls himself a muslim...

he seems like a gaal

if you read closely, he is attacking Islam not Muslims really

saying Islam oppresses women is

Seems like a gaal?
If you read closely?
Oh and Xaashi said:

"If his disbelief is hidden from you that does not mean that it is hidden from everyone else".

Come on boys, get a grip now. You're the men (Muslims) of tomorrow and if that is how your court functions your fellow Muslims are in serious trouble. I mean what is wrong with saying "You know that Bashir Goth, brov? I don't like his writing at all. It's all muddled up and unclear, you get me". Why do you have to take your ball and go home (calling everyone a Kaffir) everytime you suspect foul play?