Tour of Madinah university

[Narcissistic]

lol so we leave the learning and being scholars becasue some one agreed with you?

Hyper, I think what she's trying to say is that alot of Muslim's have this idea their not-so-bright children should study the deen seeing as they won't get accepted into respected courses such as Medicine, Dentistry, Engineer etc. She has a valid point although, I don't think it's the majority but nonetheless is indeed a view some parents hold.

[Hyperactive]

but your opinion doesnt hold water.
or at least you could choice better words that that ignorent 2 previous lines.
i dont know some one goes islamic university to be ignorent!

Narcissistic, i dont think it's easy to get it becasue there is also requirements.
such memorizing couple juza for quran etc, no looser would succeeed in islamic studies that i know.

[Narcissistic]

Narcissistic, i dont think it's easy to get it becasue there is also requirements.
such memorizing couple juza for quran etc, no looser would succeeed in islamic studies that i know.

Two Juz doesn't seem like much of an overly burdensome task but you're right Islamic studies is no easy ride.

Salahuddin, masha'Allah brother, seems like an invaluable opportunity you've experienced, thanks for sharing.
You've got me nearly wishing I was a guy now so I could go there.

[Firefly]

Narcissistic, i dont think it's easy to get it becasue there is also requirements.
such memorizing couple juza for quran etc, no looser would succeeed in islamic studies that i know.

Two Juz doesn't seem like much of an overly burdensome task but you're right Islamic studies is no easy ride.

Salahuddin, masha'Allah brother, seems like an invaluable opportunity you've experienced, thanks for sharing.
You've got me nearly wishing I was a guy now so I could go there.

They're thinkin' of making a sister's section in the near future, insha-Allah!

Nobleman:- Jazakallah Kheyr for posting this!

[Hyperactive]

Narcissistic, as you know people are different, could be the one who can go medical who is smart unable to do islamic study becasue some people cannot memorize or memorizing not their strong side.

as we all cannot be ulama , also we cannot all be pysician.

[Narcissistic]

Firefly, masha'Allah that's awesome. I really do hope it is in the very near future.

Hyper, waa runtaa.

[bareento]

I checked the courses on their internet site , not very much impressed

I think a serious theologian need training in philosophy, anthropology epistemology etc.....

If not how can they formulate any sound critics if challenged by others, or
how can they respond to the legitimate questions from the believers ???

B.

[Leila25]

In Xamar, we were taught reading, writing and memorising the quran from a young age, i would not say it is difficult, but for someone to memorise the whole quran it requires dedication just like any other field. I was not comparing the easinesss or difficulty of islamic and secular education, but the role class and secular educational attainment affects one's career path.

[Hyperactive]

In Xamar, we were taught reading, writing and memorising the quran from a young age, i would not say it is difficult, but for someone to memorise the whole quran it requires dedication just like any other field. I was not comparing the easinesss or difficulty of islamic and secular education, but the role class and secular educational attainment affects one's career path.

[Firefly]

In Xamar, we were taught reading, writing and memorising the quran from a young age, i would not say it is difficult, but for someone to memorise the whole quran it requires dedication just like any other field. I was not comparing the easinesss or difficulty of islamic and secular education, but the role class and secular educational attainment affects one's career path.

How sis? Islam doesn't restrict us from studying for the dunya aswell as the akhira. There are scholars with medicine, social science, etc degrees.

[*Nobleman*]

Heh, that's my old school. I'm feeling nostalgic...

Definately there's lot of good there, no doubt, but still the level and quality of education and university as a whole is going down year by year. It's not anymore like it used to be.

First off, new post 9/11-mentality is getting stronger in the school every year. Before uni was strictly islamic, but now they adding lot of stuff about nationalism, anti-jihad and praising the rulers. Of course there are some very great teachers there, but same time some others are just straight up nationalists. When I started there, posters and billboards in the uni area were islamic reminders, but when I left the place ALL of them were either praising the country, the king or the national day. One of the tawhid teachers taught students that islamic jamaca mentioned in many ahadith is nowadays saudi-state and that is the right group and if you live abroad you can still hold on to that group by promoting saudis in every place and if you hear someone talking negatively about them you have to refutate them etc. Also once in a while some princes come to talk to the uni about saudi-arabia and terrorists and it's basically obligatory for you to go there and personnel might come to check the dorm rooms and if they find someone there same time when the prince is speaking his bulls**t that guy might get some problems if he's not a good liar.

Also when I was there every year about 10 to 20 students were arrested by suspicion that they are ideologically supporting mujahidin somewhere in the world. Most of them were just in a wrong place in wrong time or guilty of knowing some wrong people. Some of them were released without any charges after being in jail for 1 year or more while some others I never heard about them since. In the last few years several somali students have been arrested when fighting started in Somalia against TFG/ethiopians/amisom.

Other thing I hated was the lack of freedom. When you go there you lose your passport and you can't travel on one month-holiday between the semesters without writing applications and having your family to fax you in arabic that they wan't you to travel back home etc. And still they might refuse your application. Also if you want to travel to some other country but the one you came from, you have to lie to them because otherwise you won't get your passport and you can't travel.

At evenings you have to be back at the uni before certain time or otherwise guards won't let you in from the gate and you have to climb over the wall and sneak in, and there is other same kind of ridiculous things that you thought ended when you were 6 years old. Some of the teachers and personnel in administration are straight up xaasidiin who treat students like garbage and sometimes you really lose your cool with them. Saudi mentality is very hard one to cope with, basically it's rough and ignorant beduin mentality (lil' like somali, except they are not as sociable ). Alhamdulillah there's still lot of good people, but unfortunately the bad ones affect you more.

If you are married I suggest you study in Egypt or some other country where you can bring your wife and children easily. In KSA it's already next to impossible and every year they make it more harder and difficult with new rules and regulations.

Then the good things... Basically it all comes down to the fact that being a student in the uni gives you a chance to live in a blessed city of Madina. You can pray every day at Prophet's masjid, you can make cumra as often as you like, for example every weekend if you feel like it. You can make hajj every year easily and cheap (regime said that everybody from inside KSA who want to make it must buy tasriix for some thousands of riyaals, so without it you have to sneak past the checkpoints through the desert on your way to Mekka like a secret agent )

Also in Medina there are some very high-caliber shuyukh that you can study with. Person who studies only in school gets maybe 5% of the benefit that people who study outside the uni get. Some of the best tullaabul cilm I knew were basically skipping a lot of classes and getting bad numbers because they made themselves busy with studying with the shuyuukh outside and didn't concentrate at their uni studies at all.

Last but not least you will meet lot of great people there from every single country and culture. That's a great place to make contacts all around the world and meet some of the best brothers you can ever have.

I had some rough times there, but afterwards it was great experience and big eye-opener for me about many things.

Nice insight bro. If you dont mind me asking, what sub field did you graduate in?

Def after 9/11 the climate certainly changed. But do they actually promote Saudi nationalism? My friend who studies there told me other wise.

Mashallah either way it is an excellent institution.

[Leila25]

What made you laugh hyper. Secular education is compulsory in many countries and children from middle class backgrounds and the ones who achieve well in the secular institutions, will not be the imams in our local mosques.

[Hyperactive]

What made you laugh hyper. Secular education is compulsory in many countries and children from middle class backgrounds and the ones who achieve well in the secular institutions, will not be the imams in our local mosques.

i was laughing because untillgrade 12 our education is secular and islamic and by the way most people get their kids both education. people who go to medical school and one's choose to go islamic sharia do the same study from kidengarden to grade 12. and who said one who studies islamic university cannot be physcian?

that what what i want to do after my 4 years sharia becasue i did many science course that qualifiy me to apply medical school.

[*Nobleman*]

Abdullah Quick seems to agree with me.

Ok I understand in certain circumstances kids are advised to study deen, when their grades are not great, obviously through jahil attitudes. Also how does this relate to Madinah university, one of the pinnacle institutes?

Also how does this video prove that too many ulema are coming from poorer backgrounds? if this proves to be true then what is that a cause of concern? Also please clarify how does ones social status affect their interpretation of the deen? and how does this video prove your claims?

[*Nobleman*]

Narcissistic, i dont think it's easy to get it becasue there is also requirements.
such memorizing couple juza for quran etc, no looser would succeeed in islamic studies that i know.

Two Juz doesn't seem like much of an overly burdensome task but you're right Islamic studies is no easy ride.

Salahuddin, masha'Allah brother, seems like an invaluable opportunity you've experienced, thanks for sharing.
You've got me nearly wishing I was a guy now so I could go there.

They're thinkin' of making a sister's section in the near future, insha-Allah!

Nobleman:- Jazakallah Kheyr for posting this!

Great insight somaha. I watched the videos 3 times and was well impressed