SouthWest State/Koonfur Galbeed

[AbdiWahab252]

Murax,

This was even before Somalia existed during Colonial times. I can rightfully return to Ogadenia and press land claims there because the property deeds existed under the British administration and later under Haile Selaisse.

The fighting is not between the Hawiye but between Saleban and Qubeeys. I am sure it will be resolved soon.

So my Rer Gedo brother, why is there discrimination against the Gedo "others" like Talxe and Howrarsame especially back in the day ?

[Dionysus]

Would be better to just stick to Jubbaland for now. Later on you can add Bay, Bakool and Shabeelloyinka if they want to join. But the creation of a state for this southern regional block is a must in my opinion.

[sadeboi]

Murux,

That could be true. But the Ceyr haven't nor will they leave. They have invested money and energy into L Shabelle to simply just pack up and leave. You can't imagine the number of mansions and farms they own especially in the regions around Afgoi. The Murusade too, and Mudulood is at least 1/3 of the Afgoi population. Al Shabab is a temporary threat. Once it is ousted, the realities will manifest and no-one will question Ceyr legitimacy in L Shabelle.

Are You saying all this out of Hawiyenimo?


Seriously though, it is truth that contemporary realities change. Pre 1991 Cayr may have not been in L Shabelle, but today they are, so Yes they should be in the Administration of the region

But I think post Shabab, I can see some serious tensions boiling over in L Shabelle

I am saying that because it is the reality. Whether people like it or not, we have invested in L Shabelle and other regions and people ought to accept reality and move-in. All these talk of returning houses to "rightful owners" is just pure none-sense. Obviously, some people worked for it and they should be given back their possessions, but vast majority of the "stolen" properties shouldn't have been there to begin with in the first place.To be honest with you, I don't mind the Isaaq and the MJ getting their properties back since majority of them built those properties with their hard-earned money. But the rest, is a pure none-sense and don't deserve attention.

As for Lower Shabelle, the reality is just quite different and people will need to accept it and move-on.

Thank to Shabab and A/yusef every one one of those xaraan occupied homes is being or was demolished with the moryons inside

The only people who got a complete Mansion and started to take the tiles and ceilings apart until four walls stood, reer-moryan such an caqli-dameer.

[Twisted_Logic]

@sadeboi

AY never had the power to do any damage to Bakhara and it still stands and thrives. So, don't get ahead of yourself, here.

About Al Shabab, they haven't changed the demographics nor have they started any redistribution or anything. The reality in Xamar and Lower Shabelle hasn't changed

Actually, in Lower Shabelle, more Hawiye have moved in

[hanqadh]

Are you serious...it will never work.

So many clans, all suspicious of each other, all competing for power? its too complex.

The states should remain as they are...coming out of a civil war, its just unhealthy and could sow the seeds for further conflict.

Either way its not feasible.

[D-Runner]

Murux,

That could be true. But the Ceyr haven't nor will they leave. They have invested money and energy into L Shabelle to simply just pack up and leave. You can't imagine the number of mansions and farms they own especially in the regions around Afgoi. The Murusade too, and Mudulood is at least 1/3 of the Afgoi population. Al Shabab is a temporary threat. Once it is ousted, the realities will manifest and no-one will question Ceyr legitimacy in L Shabelle.

Are You saying all this out of Hawiyenimo?


Seriously though, it is truth that contemporary realities change. Pre 1991 Cayr may have not been in L Shabelle, but today they are, so Yes they should be in the Administration of the region

But I think post Shabab, I can see some serious tensions boiling over in L Shabelle

One positive think Al Shabab did is whipping people into shape; prior to their take over southern Somalia was the wild wild west, daily killing in place like Kismaayo, eviction and massive land grabbing, and so and so forth. These days though that chapter of Somali history has ended thanks to Al Shabab: hence Murax willingness to share Cayr with the Southwest State, a state only in name to be clear as of yet. This was unheard of prior to Al Shabab's rise when one considers Murax and his cousins stand on sharing Jubbaland with the Majerteen clan whose presence in that area is well known.

If only Al Shabab come to being when Barre was still around, would've like them to whip the fat cats of that era into shape too, it would have ruled out Murax and his cousins arrogance. The foreign aid that was coming in the country like hell then killed the Somali state and the sons of official from that era who benefited from the illegal foreign aid trading continue to tap in that pool of living off other peoples misery. Kismaayo never saw peace do to such arrogance.

[LionHeart-112]

^^^severely uninformed waxash..

[Somalian_Boqor]

Murux,

That could be true. But the Ceyr haven't nor will they leave. They have invested money and energy into L Shabelle to simply just pack up and leave. You can't imagine the number of mansions and farms they own especially in the regions around Afgoi. The Murusade too, and Mudulood is at least 1/3 of the Afgoi population. Al Shabab is a temporary threat. Once it is ousted, the realities will manifest and no-one will question Ceyr legitimacy in L Shabelle.

Are You saying all this out of Hawiyenimo?


Seriously though, it is truth that contemporary realities change. Pre 1991 Cayr may have not been in L Shabelle, but today they are, so Yes they should be in the Administration of the region

But I think post Shabab, I can see some serious tensions boiling over in L Shabelle

One positive think Al Shabab did is whipping people into shape; prior to their take over southern Somalia was the wild wild west, daily killing in place like Kismaayo, eviction and massive land grabbing, and so and so forth. These days though that chapter of Somali history has ended thanks to Al Shabab: hence Murax willingness to share Cayr with the Southwest State, a state only in name to be clear as of yet. This was unheard of prior to Al Shabab's rise when one considers Murax and his cousins stand on sharing Jubbaland with the Majerteen clan whose presence in that area is well known.

If only Al Shabab come to being when Barre was still around, would've like them to whip the fat cats of that era into shape too, it would have ruled out Murax and his cousins arrogance. The foreign aid that was coming in the country like hell then killed the Somali state and the sons of official from that era who benefited from the illegal foreign aid trading continue to tap in that pool of living off other peoples misery. Kismaayo never saw peace do to such arrogance.

well said.

[LionHeart-112]

Killing innocent people in the name of Allah is the better alternative?

[Shirib]

Murax,

I think the state is too big and has to many dynamics to be honest with you.

TL,

You just want all of us to become Shabaab don't you?

[Twisted_Logic]

Murax,

I think the state is too big and has to many dynamics to be honest with you.

TL,

You just want all of us to become Shabaab don't you?

Oh No. That's what we are trying to prevent

[Shirib]

Murax,

I think the state is too big and has to many dynamics to be honest with you.

TL,

You just want all of us to become Shabaab don't you?

Oh No. That's what we are trying to prevent

What legitimacy do Ceyr have in ruling lower shabelle?

[Goljano Lion]

Murax,

I think the state is too big and has to many dynamics to be honest with you.

TL,

You just want all of us to become Shabaab don't you?

Oh No. That's what we are trying to prevent

What legitimacy do Ceyr have in ruling lower shabelle?

Shirib beerka ka tuma sidaad ilkoyarta beerka uga tumteen

[Twisted_Logic]

Shirib,

Somalia is big enough for everyone

[Shirib]

Shirib,

Somalia is big enough for everyone

Yea let them rule Balcad and Warsheik