Time to disband the wretched carcass known as "Somalia".

[grandpakhalif]

It's reality.

You don't kick your muslim brother when he is down or mock him, who taught you this mentality?

[Mad May]

It's reality.

You don't kick your muslim brother when he is down or mock him, who taught you this mentality?

You're making it worse, iska aamus

[oldenglish]

[Mr. Yungnfresh]

I don't usually wallow in self-pity, but allow me to wallow for a moment. Somalia is fucked for one main reason above all else...we haven't had a government for 19 years, so that means there are adults right now who were born in Somalia after the government collapsed who have never known law, order and government a single day in their lives. If you've never lived under the rule of law, any attempts to establish it will be perceived as someone trying to curb your freedom (to do whatever the hell you want, more or less) and I can't see that going over well with people who've lived all or most of their lives in anarchy.

[grandpakhalif]

It's reality.

You don't kick your muslim brother when he is down or mock him, who taught you this mentality?

You're making it worse, iska aamus

Huh? Who are you?

[Voltage]

You're making it worse, iska aamus

He is fake.

[Voltage]

This one and FAH are two of the most depressing f.cks on this forum. Lighten up.

This is not about barbie dolls.

[gedo_gurl]

Voltage I see where you are coming from...but action have we taken to change the situation back home? Tell me, has anyone come up with a viable alternative to centralised government (other than secession)? Have we tried to look at our old institutions and modernise them in the same way that Western countries have? What exactly have we done but take foreign concepts of governance and institutional development..then impose it on our people and then expect change Its ridiculous that we actually expect change when we have been too lazy to find viable solutions.

[Voltage]

Voltage perhaps in your despair of the current Somali saga you feel releived by attacking "SOMALI CIVILIZATION" in past and present as a waste of ink in the pages of History as there prescence has never acheived anything worthy or brought about anything worthy.

I happen to beleive that Somalia's Current Political problems lie even if it seems a bit far-fetched in the unstable foundation of this nations birth, in which vast number of its population/land was dispersed/missing hence this issue spent the next 40 or so years at the top of its political agenda, it has never moved on from it..it has fallen back on something that even much of the thrid world has move on from, this culture of Clan because past Goverments were not pragmatic in honestly promoting Somali Nationalism in its pure form.

This is one point to be taken.

I don't get it bro. Can you reword it?

[abdisamad3]

voltage how can you give up on the blessed land of Somalia..how can you give up on gedo and our families left back home..just becouse we are having wars doesnt mean the end of Somalia..many regions are doing great..excempel both my grand mom and grandfather they are in gedo right now as we speak herding their camels how can you say our people should be disband from their own land..iam disapointed in you cousin..

[grandpakhalif]

You're making it worse, iska aamus

He is fake.

I don't have to prove anything to you.

[Voltage]

I don't usually wallow in self-pity, but allow me to wallow for a moment. Somalia is fucked for one main reason above all else...we haven't had a government for 19 years, so that means there are adults right now who were born in Somalia after the government collapsed who have never known law, order and government a single day in their lives. If you've never lived under the rule of law, any attempts to establish it will be perceived as someone trying to curb your freedom (to do whatever the hell you want, more or less) and I can't see that going over well with people who've lived all or most of their lives in anarchy.

Excellent point if I say so myself Yung. Just one more reason to disband the failed experiment.

[gedo_gurl]

Voltage leave hanqadh alone!!

[Voltage]

Voltage I see where you are coming from...but action have we taken to change the situation back home? Tell me, has anyone come up with a viable alternative to centralised government (other than secession)? Have we tried to look at our old institutions and modernise them in the same way that Western countries have? What exactly have we done but take foreign concepts of governance and institutional development..then impose it on our people and then expect change Its ridiculous that we actually expect change when we have been too lazy to find viable solutions.

It is really ironic that between the two of us with respect to this topic you have a more Western way of looking at the issue than I do. I am looking at the situation from a local view, as a Somali person who knows very well the politics, society, and culture of the Somali people in Somalia. What action is going to change the mentality of the recalcitrant, arrogant, and ignorant Somali nomad? What can you and I, two people with full fridges and cable t.v in the West, do that will make a monumental societal transformation by completely revamping the ways of conduct, the ways of thinking, the ways of perception, of those illiterate, arrogant, and ignorant Somali nomads? I am a pragmatist, not an idealist.

[Voltage]

Voltage perhaps in your despair of the current Somali saga you feel releived by attacking "SOMALI CIVILIZATION" in past and present as a waste of ink in the pages of History as there prescence has never acheived anything worthy or brought about anything worthy.

I happen to beleive that Somalia's Current Political problems lie even if it seems a bit far-fetched in the unstable foundation of this nations birth, in which vast number of its population/land was dispersed/missing hence this issue spent the next 40 or so years at the top of its political agenda, it has never moved on from it..it has fallen back on something that even much of the thrid world has move on from, this culture of Clan because past Goverments were not pragmatic in honestly promoting Somali Nationalism in its pure form.

This is one point to be taken.

I don't get it bro. Can you reword it?

Having reread carefully I now get you. No bro, the Ogadeni issue is an issue that makes you biased. I don't believe for a second it is at the heart of Somalia's current problems. I believe illiteracy, ignorance, and a culture having foundation in a permanent state of anarchy is the problem.