Page 3 of 5

Re: ARE YOU FOR SECULARISM OR SHARIA

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 4:12 am
by 2ndtoNone
Undoubtedly our present day Heads of States and Political Leaders could learn a lot from H. Umar Ibn Al Khattab (RA). As you know that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) had said that “My companions are like the stars. Which ever of them you will follow you will be guided.”. H. Umar Ibn Al Khattab (RA) second of the khulafaa-ul-rashideen, So here, we have a Khalifa who managed a huge empire, conducted huge military campaigns, he held fast to the strict Sunnah of SAW and therefore met with amazing success. His conquests on behalf of Islam were unparalleled. In ruling and bringing peace into the vast empire. Here again, his success was unequalled.

After receiving the surrender of Jerusalem and completing the tour of Syria when Caliph Umar (R.A.) was returning to Madina he led the prayer at Jabiah. On this occasion he delivered an address which is preserved in history. The major part of his address was: (I highly recommend you to ponder over this speech then only then tell me any secularist leader who had sevred his people in such a distinction).
"O ye people I counsel you to read the Qur’an. Try to understand it and ponder over it. Imbibe the teachings of the Qur’an. Then practise what the Quran teaches. The Qur’an is not theoretical; it is a practical code of life. The Qur’an does not bring you the message of the Hereafter only; it is primarily intended to guide you in this life. Mold your life in accordance with the teachings of Islam for that is the way of your well being. By following any other way you will be inviting destruction.
"Fear Allah (The One True God), and whatever you want seek from Him. All men are equal. Do not flatter those in authority. Do not seek favors from others. By such acts you demean yourself. And remember that you will get only that is ordained for you, and no one can give you anything against the will of God. Then why seek things from others over which they have no control? Only supplicate God for He alone is the sovereign.

"And speak the truth. Do not hesitate to say what you consider to be the truth. Say what you feel. Let your conscience be your guide. Let your intentions be good, for verily God is aware of your intentions. In your deeds your intentions count. Fear God, and fear no one else. Why fear others when you know that whatever sustenance ordained for you by God you will get under all circumstances? And again why fear when you know that death is ordained by God alone and will come only when He wills?

"Allah has for the time being made me your ruler. But I am one of you. No special privileges belong to ruler. I have some responsibilities to discharge, and in this I seek your cooperation. Government is a sacred trust, and it is my endeavor not to betray the trust in any way. For the fulfillment of the trust I have to be a watch-man. I have to be strict. I have to enforce discipline. I have to run the administration not on the basis of personal idiosyncracies; I have to run it in public interest and for promoting the public good. For this we have the guidance in the Book of God. Whatever orders I issue in the course of day to day administration have to conform to the Qur’an. God has favored us with Islam. He sent to us His Messenger (Muhammad, pbuh). He has chosen us for a mission. Let us fulfil that mission. That mission is the promotion of Islam. In Islam lies our safety; if we err we are doomed."
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) had said that “My companions are like the stars. Which ever of them you will follow you will be guided.”.
Umar Ibn Khattaab R.A. was indeed amongst the brightest of stars and he who refuses his wisdom and advise is indeed doomed because whatever he advise/orders he issued conforms to the Holy Qur'an.

Re: ARE YOU FOR SECULARISM OR SHARIA

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 4:43 am
by abdalla11
^Dr yalaxow doesn't accept hadiths, so there is no point in giving him narrations from the prophet

Re: ARE YOU FOR SECULARISM OR SHARIA

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 5:26 am
by TheLoFather
this dr yalexoow character is an indoctrinated ignoramus, to try to make him understand even the basics is waste of time.

Re: ARE YOU FOR SECULARISM OR SHARIA

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 6:45 am
by DR-YALAXOOW
abdalla11 wrote:^Dr yalaxow doesn't accept hadiths, so there is no point in giving him narrations from the prophet
who said i do not eccept hadiiths? i do accept hadiith but only those hadiiths who do not contradicts what allah said in quran, if hadiiths condtradicst what allah said then that hadiith is fabricated one.

the problem of hadiiths is no one knowns how mny hadiiths are out there, forexample bukhaari who lived almost 300 years after prophets scw, bukhari collected more than 300 000 hadiiths which he later only
1500 hadiith of 300 thousend ayuu soo qaatey wuxuuna iska tuurey more than 280 000 hadiith ayuu ka tagey sababtuna waxay aheeyd inay run yihiin ama been abuur yihiin ayuu xaqiiqsan waayey.

marka bukhaari wuxuu ahaa baniaadam xitaa 1500 hadiith uu soo xushey ugu danbeeyntii qaar ka mid ah been abuur ah waa laga yaabaa inay ku jiraan, iyo 280 kun uu iska tuureyna qaar run ahaa inay ku jireen ayaa iyadana dhici karta.

marka islaamka first source waa kalaamka allah quraanka, hadduu quraanka yiri sidaa sameeya, waa in quraanka uu ahaadaa nr 1, haddii marka hadiith ka hor imanaya quraanka wuxuu yiri, marka hadiithkaas waxaa ka weeyn quraanka.

masalan quraanka kariimka kuma jirto haba yaraatee aayad oraneysa qofkii adultry ah macsi gala dhagax halagu dilo. quraanka wuxuu si cad aan leex leexad laheeyn u oranayaa.
a zaani-a-tu wa-zaanii fajlidun kulu waa xidun minhumaa mi-atun jaldatun
marka haddii aad la timaadid hadiith oranaya tottaly different think whichs kill them and from the bibel stone them, then that hadiith is 1000% fake one becouse it condtradicst the quran.

you see in arabic zaani-atun =female adultress iyo zaanii=male adultry ma la kala saarin guur ama guur la,aan waa leeysku qabtey male or female wather they are fat married. blind wax waliba ay ahaadaan waa ku kulan san tahay.

ka warama quraanka waxaa ku jirta( al muumunina wal-muuninaati= haweenka rumeeyey iyo ragga rumeeyey. haddii aad taa u macneeyo waxaa looma jeedaa haweenka aan guursan ee rumeeyey iyo ragga aan guursan aan rumeeyey.

waa sidaa oo kale, dadka BIBEL-ka kiristaanka ka soo xadey STONING dhagax ku dilid aan quraanka ku jirin badanaa waxay dadka ku indho sarcadiyaaan
a zaani-a-tu wa-zaanii fajlidun kulu waa xidun minhumaa mi-atun jaldatun
waxaa loola jeedaa haweenka aan guursan! bal akhri carabiga xagee ku qoran tahay guuursan.

marka kaba sii daranee waxaa jira boqolaal XADIITH oo aad ku qosleyso waxa ay sheegayaan, marka of course hadiisyo sax ah waa buuxaan waana jiraan, laakiin waxaa jira hadiisyo been abuur ah oo sida BIBELKA kiristaanka loogu tala galey in diinta islaamka lagu XARFIYO nasiib daro.

Re: ARE YOU FOR SECULARISM OR SHARIA

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 6:50 am
by Du$ty
Paddington Bear wrote:Today? Neither. A Ferrari is always preferable to a Mini but when nobody owns a driving licence it really doesn’t matter.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :up:

Re: ARE YOU FOR SECULARISM OR SHARIA

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 7:03 am
by Garbo_Gedo
Islam and secularism doesn't go together.

Sharia=Islam

Secularism= Christianity

Secular is the opposite of Sharia, and therefore, since I am a Muslim I favour the Sharia over the (Christian) secularism.

Re: ARE YOU FOR SECULARISM OR SHARIA

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 7:26 am
by Leila25
How can secularism be against religion when most of you live under it and freely practice your religion, whether its through your dress, building of mosques, schools catering for halal food etc. Thank god i didnt live in England when the church and the state were one. Study history people. As for Sharia, Dr Yalaxow said it right: what is it? People that want to enforce seem to be obsessed about sex or punishments.

Re: ARE YOU FOR SECULARISM OR SHARIA

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 7:42 am
by 2ndtoNone
"May Allah have mercy on him who sends me my faults as a present."

"Preserve the sayings of those people who are indifferent to the world. They say only that what Allah wishes them to say."

"Fear Allah, for He alone lives; all other things are liable to perish."

H. Umar Ibn Al Khattaab, Radiyallahu 'Anhu.

Re: ARE YOU FOR SECULARISM OR SHARIA

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 4:36 pm
by BODHI
ITS INTERESTING TO READ HOW SOME OF YOU THINK HOW SICK AND TWIST Y'ALL REALLY ARE FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD

Re: ARE YOU FOR SECULARISM OR SHARIA

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 4:39 pm
by AhlulbaytSoldier
I accept only shariahlaw of ahlusunnah wal jamaacah. :up: we will benefit from this after the country is liberated inshallah.so first mission is liberation :up:
to believe in the shariah of the apostates is believing them to be muslims ,and that is clear kufr.
a kaafir cannot judge by Allah´s law even if he claims to be muslim.

Re: ARE YOU FOR SECULARISM OR SHARIA

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 4:46 pm
by ModerateMuslim
BODHI wrote:ITS INTERESTING TO READ HOW SOME OF YOU THINK HOW SICK AND TWIST Y'ALL REALLY ARE FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD
you speak like a loose woman, i.e. a love. i wouldn't be surprised if you left islam because it wouldn't accommodate your love-nimo.

Re: ARE YOU FOR SECULARISM OR SHARIA

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 5:17 pm
by zulaika
Dalton wrote:
udun wrote:The same books and philosophy that were so euro-centric that have put us, Muslims, backward for centuries. We need to find our own ways to find solution for our own problems. We have learned the more we follow you people, the more we dig a deep hole for ourselves. Islam is our solution and we just need to be good Muslims and follow our religious scholars. We have already seen the miracles of the implementation of Sharia law in many parts of the Islamic world. We should then gradually advance our implementation of Islamic law and learn from our mistakes and shortcomings. You see it is coming down to a self-determination and the sooner we are fully free, the better we will be.
When you have failed, as a civilization or as something even less, it's always easier to blame your own failure for someone else. When the Islamic Civilization started to decline, Europe was hardly anything. Much of it was still under a heavy religious influence. The great events that were to shape it were still to come: The Black Death, The Medieval Inquisition, The Renaissance, The Industrial Revolution, The Age of Enlightenment, and their was a big gap between most of these events themselves. There were 7 centuries between the rise of the first secular state in the Western world and the time when the Islamic Civilization is now agreed to have started declining. If you are really interested in how the Islamic Civilization started to decline and the cause of its failure, then I suggest you to find out what happened between the Muslim scientists and philosophers and theologians in the 11th century.
under all that verbage is the undertone of "anything you can do, i can do better....poorly delivered of course but nonetheless of the same gist....


"No historical student of the culture of Western Europe can ever reconstruct for himself the intellectual values of the later Middle Ages unless he possesses a vivid awareness of Islam looming in the background." (Pierce Butler, "Fifteenth Century of Arabic Authors in Latin Translation, in the McDonald Presentation Volume; Freeport, N.Y., 1933; p.63)"

every civilization built its pillars on borrowed knowledge of another, drop the orientalist views and pay credit were due.......

Re: ARE YOU FOR SECULARISM OR SHARIA

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 5:23 pm
by Executive
HutuKing01 wrote:I accept only shariahlaw of ahlusunnah wal jamaacah. :up: we will benefit from this after the country is liberated inshallah.so first mission is liberation :up:
to believe in the shariah of the apostates is believing them to be muslims ,and that is clear kufr.
a kaafir cannot judge by Allah´s law even if he claims to be muslim.


There is only one Islamic Sharia

Re: ARE YOU FOR SECULARISM OR SHARIA

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 5:25 pm
by AhlulbaytSoldier
Executive wrote:
HutuKing01 wrote:I accept only shariahlaw of ahlusunnah wal jamaacah. :up: we will benefit from this after the country is liberated inshallah.so first mission is liberation :up:
to believe in the shariah of the apostates is believing them to be muslims ,and that is clear kufr.
a kaafir cannot judge by Allah´s law even if he claims to be muslim.


There is only one Islamic Sharia
the one which ahlusunnah will implement after the land is united :up:

Re: ARE YOU FOR SECULARISM OR SHARIA

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 5:27 pm
by ModerateMuslim
HutuKing01 wrote:
Executive wrote:
HutuKing01 wrote:I accept only shariahlaw of ahlusunnah wal jamaacah. :up: we will benefit from this after the country is liberated inshallah.so first mission is liberation :up:
to believe in the shariah of the apostates is believing them to be muslims ,and that is clear kufr.
a kaafir cannot judge by Allah´s law even if he claims to be muslim.


There is only one Islamic Sharia
the one which ahlusunnah will implement after the land is united :up:
:? worshipping others than allah isn't part of the sharia.