Puntland Deporting people with Banadiri & Rahanweyn accents!

[Niya]

I am just curious, was there any Hawiye who spoke against "infringing upon the inherent rights and privileges of the Somali people" when Darood were being slaughtered or forced to flee from Mogadishu?

What is up with this selective human rights advocacy? Did anyone attempt to ask about the random killings and targetting of gov't employees in Puntland? Or how Puntland security is threathened?

This might not be the best policy for Puntland to take, but when its very exsistence is at stake, deporting people is akin to a bloodless collateral damage, a by product of securing Bosaaso and environs. Something has to give to reach a better solution because Puntland has to defend itself by any means neccessary.

[abdalla11]

They have IDP camps and nobody deports them. If you look closely to the pics you will see they only deported young, jobless men, bring a pic where women and kids are being deported. The ones that have a job weren´t deported either. Young men who are not in refugee camps and don´t have a job are most likely to do tahriib.

Again, you can´t expect from one region to carry the burden of a whole nation, Puntland doesn´t have the means to do that.

[Jesteye]

Mate,
TL,

Rahanweyn isn't the only group of people deported from Puntland. Arguably Hawiye is the majority in Southern Somalia. The population in Mogadishu and the surrounding areas equals to 30% of the Somali population in Somalia today (UNDP estimates Somali populations in Somalia to be 8m). Anyway! the real facts will come out!

Lets wait for BBC,VOA &Universal reports from Galkacyo.

[Shirib]

Niya

What are they protecting themselves from? As far as I know all the security problems in Puntland have been from inner MJ fighting, some Sacad MJ fighting in Galkacyo and SSC issues.

How have some poor people fleeeing from war threatened the security of Puntland

and to answer ur question, yes a lot of Hawiye did speak up

[Air Canada]

Jesteye

What are you calaacaling about if Punanis kicked out few rahanwein that wanted to tahriib to Yemen or others that went there to have fun with the local girls?

What is there in Punani anyway apart from Punani?

[Jesteye]

Jesteye

What are you calaacaling about if Punanis kicked out few rahanwein that wanted to tahriib to Yemen and other places?

What is there in Punani, anyway?

Calaacal?!

Disagreeing with Puntland's policy in profiling IDPs = Calaacal?

[Babygirl-]

Subxaan..

[Twisted_Logic]

I am just curious, was there any Hawiye who spoke against "infringing upon the inherent rights and privileges of the Somali people" when Darood were being slaughtered or forced to flee from Mogadishu?

What is up with this selective human rights advocacy? Did anyone attempt to ask about the random killings and targetting of gov't employees in Puntland? Or how Puntland security is threathened?

This might not be the best policy for Puntland to take, but when its very exsistence is at stake, deporting people is akin to a bloodless collateral damage, a by product of securing Bosaaso and environs. Something has to give to reach a better solution because Puntland has to defend itself by any means neccessary.

You can play these lame apologist tunes all you want, it won't make the facts go away.

There is no correlation between what happened in the 1990s (and in any rate, you will notice that the war itself was a response to the injustices of the Darod regime) and the injustices that are taking place in Puntland today against innocent women and children from the "South." And yet, there is no correlation between the routine bombings and killings in Puntland and the internally displaced people in Puntland. It is so elementary that it doesn't even deserve an illustration, but civil unrest, social instability and violence can not take place in any region without the active participation and cooperation of the natives. The organization, financing, coordination and accomplishing of these acts of terror in Puntland are being carried out by native Puntlanders. The IDPs are being used as scapegoats by the Puntland regime to hide the larger societal problem that exists in Puntland on the subterranean level.

Puntland should be going after its own people such as Mohamed Atom and other members of the Puntland-based Al Qaida/Al Shabab groups instead of harassing innocent women and children that are internally displaced.

Mohamed Said Atom, one of a handful of men singled out by the UN Security Council as violating an arms embargo on Somalia, has established bases in the Sanaag mountains straddling Puntland and Somaliland, a senior security official said.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-wo ... 10mv3.html

An enterprise that is built on thuggery and gang expediency can not aim to last long or bring any meaningful positive change to the populace it claims to govern. Faroole was a notorious pirate-master before he became the head of the Puntland enterprise and his past as gang-leader is what dictates his policies.

[NewHargeisaGirl]

What is the difference betweeen Raxanwayn and the Bantus horta?
BTW, may allah help them

[Twisted_Logic]

There could or could not be Hawiye Youth in Bosaaso seeking a way out. But these are a very small minority and are statistically insignificant. The problem here is Puntland militias, under the order of the pirate chief Faroole, making their way into refugee camps and forcefully taking away innocent women and children and sending them back to the wars and conflict that they have escaped from, in the first place.

Puntland has a very nasty history of mistreating and infringing upon the inherent rights and privileges of the Somali people, and we can all imagine what the repercussions could be in the long run, for the people that hail from Puntland, once peace returns to Somalia and they are subjected to the same humiliation and injustice that they incur against others. This sets a very dangerous precedence in Somali society and culture. From the deportation of the Ogadeen people back to the hands of the Meles government, and to the recent ill-treatment of these internally displaced people, Puntland is making a very interesting bed for itself. Time will tell what follows next.

They didn´t deport refugees from the IDP camps nor women, eldern, children or those who have jobs. They only deported young jobless men who were most likely to do tahriib

Tell that to the birds.

[Niya]

Shrib,

There has been increasing security problems whereby employee of Puntland state are being targetted for assisination.

There are elements in Puntland that support Al-shabab, however each clan/sub clan can be held accountable for any disturbance that emanate from their own. There is no authority that speaks for, or takes responsibility for the action that come from people that moved from other parts of the country, No capo-qabil, Boqor, Garad, Islan or Suldan to consult. There is a correlation between the increase of population in Bosaso and incidents of crime including targeted assasinations.
Puntland, has also been under pressure to address the issues of migrants crossing over to Yemen and Piracy.

The current policy of forcing people to leave is not the best solution, but it will mitigate the increasing security issues.
As I said this is akin to a bloodless collateral damage to a bigger threat. Puntland is justified in safe-guarding its existence.

T/L, Puntland will deal with its own. I am not denying that there are internal pro-shabab and other fanatics there.
As for you other comments regarding the blame game, I will pass.

[Shirib]

Niya,

In all honesty do you think the assassination of businessman are done by internally displaced people. This is a phenomenon that has been going on for a very long time. What does a IDP get from the assasination of a business man or security official. They don't really have stakes there and wouldn't benefit from it.

Second part about the immigration part, again looks like Puntland is going about it the wrong way. the real way to curb the problem is to stop the people who offer the services don't you think

This seems like a scapegoat that the Puntland admin is using to get rid of their problems. Happens all over the world.

[yunis09]

What is the difference betweeen Raxanwayn and the Bantus horta?
BTW, may allah help them

both somalis both muslims but one looks like http://www.topnews.in/files/morgan_1.jpg and the other looks like http://img.freebase.com/api/trans/image ... xwidth=150

[oldenglish]

Puntland should be going after its own people such as Mohamed Atom and other members of the Puntland-based Al Qaida/Al Shabab groups instead of harassing innocent women and children that are internally displaced.

Mohamed Said Atom, one of a handful of men singled out by the UN Security Council as violating an arms embargo on Somalia, has established bases in the Sanaag mountains straddling Puntland and Somaliland, a senior security official said.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-wo ... 10mv3.html

An enterprise that is built on thuggery and gang expediency can not aim to last long or bring any meaningful positive change to the populace it claims to govern. Faroole was a notorious pirate-master before he became the head of the Puntland enterprise and his past as gang-leader is what dictates his policies.

When a Majarteen targets a Warsangeli he gets killed. We are not Hawiye

Nor are we part of your Terror groups, Majarteenia is blowing hot air, the day a single Warsangeli is touched is the day Faroole will be isolated in Garowe.

Puntland is falling apart today

[xoogSADE14]

Alla maxaa munaafiq meeshan ka dhex muuqda!

War Puntland dhulkeeda ayadaa iska leh cideey rabaan ayeeyna tarxiilayaan. Non Puntlanders should have never been there in sunstantial numbers in the first place. Dadka koonfurta u dhashay (my people included) waa in lagu qasbaa ineey dhulkooda ku noqdaan oo eey dhulkooda dhistaan.