Al khawarij doing positive zakatul fitr all around Somalia

[abdalla11]

Shirib, Abdul Wahab was a curse to the Ummah funded by the British to divide and colonize the middleast

Words are easy to spew, can you provide evidence.

Ibn Abdul Wahab died in 1792, British didn't come Arabia for another 100 years after his death. Not adding up here. So come with some substance, or iska aamus saaxib

The same old baseless argumenst of helping the british, don't they know history smh

[Shirib]

Shirib, Abdul Wahab was a curse to the Ummah funded by the British to divide and colonize the middleast

Words are easy to spew, can you provide evidence.

Ibn Abdul Wahab died in 1792, British didn't come Arabia for another 100 years after his death. Not adding up here. So come with some substance, or iska aamus saaxib

The same old baseless argumenst of helping the british, don't they know history smh

grandpa learned a few words that he thought would be cool to throw around, wahabi, khawarij, salafi, but yet he knows little of what he is talking about

[grandpakhalif]

Shirib, I think I know more about our diin than you (no offence)

[abdalla11]

Shirib, I think I know more about our diin than you (no offence)

shirib asked you a good question since you cursed one of the imams who the ahlu sunnah consider the River of the sunnah and tawheed (mujaddid). Why don't you bring actual facts on the table instead of a hadeeth that you put out of its context or baseless claim that he supported the british, when he was buried several decades when they arrived. Marka what he did he do that was so wrong?

[Shirib]

grandpa,

If you know more diin than me, I'd love to learn from you, that's not even something to brag about or feel shy about. We should all strive in becoming more knowledgeable of our diin.

But we're not discussing diin here, we're discussing why Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab should be cursed and you still haven't brought one valid point.

Now if you have some valid points on why Muhammad ibn AbdulWahab should be cursed, please bring them forward. Bring facts, and not I think, or I heard someone else say. Thank you

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Muhammad ibn abdulwahab Al-Najdee was a true enemy of Islam.
May Allah curse all enemies of islam.

[grandpakhalif]

Muhammad ibn abdulwahab Al-Najdee was a true enemy of Islam.
May Allah curse all enemies of islam.

Amiin

[Shirib]

I'm still waiting for facts, you remind me of ignorant white people who go around saying Islam is evil, Quran tells to kill non Muslims, yet have nothing to back up their claims.

Come on grandpa bring some facts

[grandpakhalif]

O Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab, I advise you, for the sake of Allah, ta'ala, to hold your tongue regarding the Muslims. If you hear from anyone who asks for help from other than Allah that one has the power to effect things without the Will of Allah, then teach him the right thing about this issue, and show him the proofs which state no one other than Allah brings things from non-existence into existence. The one who rejects that is blasphemous. You have no right to label the majority of the Muslims as blasphemers(17) while you are deviant from the majority of the Muslims. In fact, it is more reasonable to consider the one who deviates from the majority of the Muslims as a blasphemer then to consider the Muslims as a nation as blasphemers--because the deviant one has followed a path other than the path of the believers. In Surat an-Nisa', Ayah 15, Allah said:Whomever contends with the Messenger after the right path was exposed to him and follows other than the way of the believers, Allah will leave him..

[Shirib]

What's up with random quotes that barely fit into the fold of discussion you keep bringing up. Are u dumb, can u not just say I think Muhammad AbdulWahab should be cursed because of A, B, and C?

[grandpakhalif]

What's up with random quotes that barely fit into the fold of discussion you keep bringing up. Are u dumb, can u not just say I think Muhammad AbdulWahab should be cursed because of A, B, and C?

A: Should be cursed for allying with the tyrant Al Saud family

Moreover, Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab called upon the princes of eastern Arabia and the people of ad-Dar'iyyah(8) to support him. They carried his doctrine and made this endeavor a means to strengthen and expand their kingdom. They worked together to suppress the Bedouins of the deserts until they overcame them and those Bedouins followed them and became foot-soldiers for them without pay. After that, these masses started to believe that whoever does not believe in what Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab said is a blasphemer, and it is Islamically lawful (halal) to shed his blood and plunder his money.

[grandpakhalif]

B: Scholars reject Abdul Wahab 's teaching

In their writings to refute Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab's sayings, the scholars said his deduction was false. The believers did not consider the prophets or the awliya’ as gods and they did not deem them partners to Allah. Instead, they correctly believe the prophets and awliya’ are good slaves and creations of Allah, and they do not deserve to be worshipped.

[Shirib]

grandpa,

U do know that Al Saud family in the late 1700's are not the same as the one's you see today. Ibn AbdulWahab died in 1792. The house of Saud didn't even begin to start their fighting against Ottomans or trying to establish a state, till over a 100 years later. Do you also know that the two became very isolated later on?

Is there something wrong with your history?

Better question do you know what the Arabs were doing at that time, and do you agree with it

[grandpakhalif]

C: Abdul Wahab and his men have committed horrific crimes

"[Wahhabis] scaled the walls, entered the city ... and killed the majority of its people in the markets and in their homes. [They] destroyed the dome placed over the grave of al-Husayn [and took] whatever they found inside the dome and its surroundings. .... the grille surrounding the tomb which was encrusted with emeralds, rubies, and other jewels. .... different types of property, weapons, clothing, carpets, gold, silver, precious copies of the Qur'an."

Delong-Bas, Natana J., Wahhabi Islam: From Revival and Reform to Global Jihad, Oxford University Press

You cannot deny this Shirib, the evidence is here.

[Shirib]

^^ Can u post the link please