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Biko, great point here, mate. You're sounding here as the most realistic and respectful.

Optimist: You start by no calling "friend" to a kaffir and you will end putting bombs in some trains.

Don't let this Somalisiz to brainwash you with her perverted interpretation of Islam. She's spreading hate instead peace with this condescent attitude of someone how seems to know everything and really knows a shit about the real world. If you call someone a "kaffir", in some way, you're on the bound to call him an "enemy". Take a look at the posts by Proud Muslimah or Somalisis and count all the times the mention the word "enemy".

Their perverted interpretation of Islam inmediately brings you to a kind of nazi or fascist mentality. First, the non-muslims are kaffirs. The kaffirs are not human beings. 3) We are superior to kaffirs. 4) The kaffirs are our enemies. 5) They want us to live like them when we live in their countries. 6) Anything a kaffir does or says is an insult to my religion. 7) Kuffirs deserve to die, because they're not human beings. kaffirs, you die!

Do you find any difference between the mentality of Somalisiz and Adolf Hitler? I don't find any. It's just in the paint you paint it. One said Germany, another one says Islam. But if you scratch on the paint, you will see the true colour.

And what you gonna get with that attitude is that Islam will be understood and seen here, in the West, as a dangerous, very dangerous religion.

Those fanatics are hijacking the real Islam and substituting it for some kind of neo nazism that they call Islam. Islam was always a peaceful and open religion. I live in a city in which you can see how open, respectful and peaceful Islam was for a long period of time. Nothing to do with the Islam they're talking about.

That's just a pervertion. Don't let them to brainwash you.

[quote="COOL-MAN"]yo mad one,

jews and cristians (ahlu kitabs) are not disbelievers according to the quran.[/quote]

What happened to our cool brother????
Jews and christians are disbelievers(kafirs), brother. Any one who is not muslim is kafir.

. Those who DISBELIEVE from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and among Al-Mushrikûn,[] were not going to leave (their disbelief) until there came to them clear evidence((98.1)
. A Messenger (Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) from Allâh, reciting (the Qur'ân) purified pages [purified from Al-Bâtil (falsehood, etc.)].


6. Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islâm, the Qur'ân and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikûn will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.[] 98:6

SOMALISISZ is 100% right.
Axlan and others are seeking kufr attention which is only mirage.

[quote="Achilles"]Beards my friend, the question is not if jews and christians are disbelievers but whether you can befriend them. and Somalisis is not right-she has taken many lines of the quran out of context and interpreted them (incorrectly) to fit her own belief systems.[/quote]

Bismillah,

I was emphasising a point to brother coolman who said jews and christians are not disbelievers.
Still Somalisisz is right. She has taken nothing out of context.

144. O you who believe! Take not for Auliyâ' (protectors or helpers or friends) disbelievers instead of believers. Do you wish to offer Allâh a manifest proof against yourselves?

145. Verily, the hyprocrites will be in the lowest depths (grade) of the Fire; no helper will you find for them.[]

146. Except those who repent (from hypocrisy), do righteous good deeds, hold fast to Allâh, and purify their religion for Allâh (by worshipping none but Allâh, and do good for Allâh's sake only, not to show-off), then they will be with the believers. And Allâh will grant to the believers a great reward.
((4:144--146))

If this is old fashioned(17th century) as Axlan says, or hate mongering, terrorism, etc, so be it.

[quote="Beards"][quote="COOL-MAN"]yo mad one,

jews and cristians (ahlu kitabs) are not disbelievers according to the quran.[/quote]

What happened to our cool brother????
Jews and christians are disbelievers(kafirs), brother. Any one who is not muslim is kafir.



SOMALISISZ is 100% right.
Axlan and others are seeking kufr attention which is only mirage.[/quote]
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cleric ABU BEARD!


why is it that anyone who disagree with your train of thought has to be a kafir?

[quote="Kamal35"]
Optimist: You start by no calling "friend" to a kaffir and you will end putting bombs in some trains.

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I am not insane i wont kill innocent human beings!!!

[quote="optimist_1"][quote="Kamal35"]
Optimist: You start by no calling "friend" to a kaffir and you will end putting bombs in some trains.

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I am not insane i wont kill innocent human beings!!![/quote]
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prove it!

[quote="biko"][quote="Beards"][quote="COOL-MAN"]yo mad one,

jews and cristians (ahlu kitabs) are not disbelievers according to the quran.[/quote]

What happened to our cool brother????
Jews and christians are disbelievers(kafirs), brother. Any one who is not muslim is kafir.



SOMALISISZ is 100% right.
Axlan and others are seeking kufr attention which is only mirage.[/quote]
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cleric ABU BEARD!


why is it that anyone who disagree with your train of thought has to be a kafir?[/quote]


What are you talking about Biko????
Can you explain please.
I only said jews and christians are DISBELIEVERS.
Is that a problem.

[quote="Achilles"]Beards my friend, the question is not if jews and christians are disbelievers but whether you can befriend them. and Somalisis is not right-she has taken many lines of the quran out of context and interpreted them (incorrectly) to fit her own belief systems.[/quote]

Very well said, Achilles.

SomaliLizis,
I'll never go against the word of Allah (SWA). But you are very manipulative and take every thing out of context, just like Beards. No one said that they will invite non-muslim to their homes for a supper. Marka relax with the "I'm holies than any of you mothafcker here" preach.

Beards,
Caqli lix saac waxid.

Beards

SOMALISISZ is 100% right.
Axlan and others are seeking kufr attention which is only mirage.[/quote]
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am talking about this!

Anyone who disbelieved prophet Muhammad (SAW) is a disbeliever, hence Yahuud and Nasara are definitely disbelievers, however, I am not sure if this Ayah was for a specific reason or "Auliya" means protectors, supporters or friends, I leave that for those whose knowledge permits them to indulge in the translation and translietration of the matter.

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cleric ABU BEARD!


why is it that anyone who disagree with your train of thought has to be a kafir?[/quote]

You have not answered the Question Biko,
Where did I call any one kafir, except, offcourse the kafirs themselves(jews, christians and idol worshippers)!

Did I call you or Axlan kafirs??

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cleric ABU BEARD!


why is it that anyone who disagree with your train of thought has to be a kafir?[/quote]

You have not answered the Question Biko,
Where did I call any one kafir, except, offcourse the kafirs themselves(jews, christians and idol worshippers)!

Did I call you or Axlan kafirs??[/quote]
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ok beard, my bad! but you know what am talking about.
you said attention seekers from kafirs which is as good as kafirs.

[quote="Achilles"]Beards my friend, the question is not if jews and christians are disbelievers but whether you can befriend them. and Somalisis is not right-she has taken many lines of the quran out of context and interpreted them (incorrectly) to fit her own belief systems.[/quote]

I agree with u 100%

Somalisis, sorry sis but i dont agree with u..I do have friends of all kinds, Christians..Jews..athiests..What they believe and what they follow is totally up to them as long as they are not disrespecting mine. Its the human being i am dealing with, not which path they follow. And to hate someone just because of what they follow is not right either. Islam is a great religion that teaches us peace, respect and harmony. So for us to hate/dislike anyone who isnt Muslim is plain and simply WRONG. I would lend a heping hand to anyone who needs my help any day regardless of what they are.
Are you telling me if u are driving and u see an old lady who got into an accident and trapped in a car, you would drive by and not help her just cuz she is not a fellow Muslim??? Now thats UNHUMAN.

[quote="Galol"]
War yaa nakala qabta? War tii massibada aheyd ee Goga meeday may yartan saxdo![/quote]

Masiibo kugu dhacdaay oo awowga laga taag..Why are u calling out my name every time someone says something bizarre nacladyow? wtf am I, the principle of "Somalinet Secondary School"??

bissmeallah w salato w salmo cala rasool Ellah

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W aslam cala kol man atabc al hoda

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Axlaan >>>> what context are u talking about and who said I am the holiest (acuzubellah men al shytan al rajeem) sister in Islam pride is not permissible in Islam as There is a hadith of the Prophet, salla'llahu 'alayhi wa sallim, with regard to pride. Ibn Mas'ud reported that the Messenger of Allah, salla'llahu 'alayhi wa sallim, said, 'No one who has got faith in his heart to the weight of a mustard-seed shall enter the Fire and nobody who has got pride in his heart to the weight of a mustard-seed shall enter Paradise.

But since you are saying that I am being manipulative can u please explain what this verse means ?


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*[لاَّ تَجِدُ قَوْماً يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الاٌّخِرِ يُوَآدُّونَ مَنْ حَآدَّ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَلَوْ كَانُواْ ءَابَآءَهُمْ أَوْ أَبْنَآءَهُمْ أَوْ إِخْوَنَهُمْ أَوْ عَشِيرَتَهُمْ]

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(You will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred.)

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Fe Aman Allah ya muslims

missinterpretation of the holly text seem to be the norm for a lots of people; and whether they are doing it on purpose or just luck proper understanding only god knows.