Adultery!!!!!

*Proud_Muslimah* · Post by ***Proud_Muslimah*** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 4:55 am

Assalamu Alaikum,

"All Muslim schools of thought use and justify their differing opinions by quoting hadith and Quraan, do you agree with all of them?"

No, I don't agree with all of them but rather choose the one that has a stronger opinion.

Whenever the Sahabah had a problem or a question, they would go consult whoever they found and trusted. Ibnul-Hammaam said Ã¢Â€ÂœThey would at one time ask one muftee and then at another time a different one, not clinging to any single muftee.Ã¢Â€Â [al-Insaaf fee Bayaani Sababil-Ikhtilaaf (pg. 40) of Shaah Waliyyullah ad-Dihlawee]

"Why do I have to believe his opinion that a hadith can abrogate the Quraan?"

Am I asking you to believe in what he says? Confused

This stuff I have posted for USING them as an evidence to proof my refutation is CLEARLY in the Qur'an and Sunnah, why don't you take some time to study the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw) and see for yourself!

"As you said if this guy's opinion is being a "salafi" is better than being a Muslim, why will I have to listen to his article"

Don't twist my words brother, I don't think anywhere in my post did I mention "being a 'salafi' better than being a 'Muslim" my correct sentence was "saying 'I'm a Salafi' better than SAYING (not "being") 'I'm a Muslim"!

"I over came that kind of idol worshipping"? Confused

Hmm...so you are accussing of committing shirk now? Interesting

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:00 am

Proud
Stoning is barbaric, period, end of story. There is no excuse, no justification. I don't care if it came out of the Prophets mouth or not. If the Prophet told you to jump off the Brookline bridge would you do that to? Just because he was a barbarian doesn't mean the rest of us have to be. Tell you what, if you want to be stoned when you commit adultery, we'll try to accomodate your wish. Leave the rest of us out of it, OK?

*Proud_Muslimah* · Post by ***Proud_Muslimah*** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:03 am

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:05 am

Ahhhhhhhh you forgot to actually post anyting.

dhuusa_deer · Post by **dhuusa_deer** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:54 am

this is why I advocate reform of Islam. Not only to solve modern problems but to become the standard so that 50 years from now muslims can reinterpret Islam if needed. You can not insist on living 7th century injuctions in 2005 anno domini. Its insane. You don't see muslims riding camels to downtown on the way to work. You don't see muslims living in tents. Why should ppl be stoned to death for adultry.

SoMaLiSiZz · Post by **SoMaLiSiZz** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:05 am

DD why not stone them to death ?

dhuusa_deer · Post by **dhuusa_deer** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:09 am

[quote="SoMaLiSiZz"]DD why not stone them to death ?[/quote]

becuz they haven't done anything wrong. What crime have they committed to deserve to be stoned to death? Having consensual sex? What business of yours or others is it what two adults do in their bedroom?

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:11 am

B!tch
Are you serious? Or are you just f-king with us here? Get with the program, it's 2005 and 690.

SoMaLiSiZz · Post by **SoMaLiSiZz** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:16 am

[quote="dhuusa_deer"][quote="SoMaLiSiZz"]DD why not stone them to death ?[/quote]

becuz they haven't done anything wrong. What crime have they committed to deserve to be stoned to death? Having consensual sex? What business of yours or others is it what two adults do in their bedroom?[/quote]

DD >>> So did do u believe in an eye for an eye?

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:19 am

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth - the whole world will be blind and toothless.

The Law26 · Post by **The Law26** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:21 am

What Islam (the Quraan) says about the sentence of adultery, and what some Muslims percieve it to be are two different things. Allah SWT Says;

24:3 Let no man guilty of adultery or fornication marry and but a woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever: nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden.

24:02: The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.

Islam is perfect but Muslims are not and that is why they need not reform but to study their own religion and follow, rather than follow the words of scholars. You can't get ayat's as crystal clear as that.

Proud

What I mean is I used to be a salafi students and studied for a short while in Mecca. As a brotherly advice, all your sources (cut and paste) are predominantely from salafi aka wahabi literature, and be aware of their sect menatlity of idolising their scholars. Do you know many sects other than the four sunni schools also use hadith and Quraan to back their weak arguments? Be aware of that too.

Above qoute, Albaani teaches about his mad-hab, and as you can read it requires their followers to believe more than the Quraan and Sunnah, using his words they have to believe in the salafi aka wahabi Mad-hab? You have to believe in Abdiwahaab's interpretation of Islam, otherwise you are not a member of the saved sect. That is where I differ with them, because, I'm a Muslim and believe in those Ayats above and Allah SWT Words, and not Albaani's words telling me that a hadith can abrogate that ayat.

dhuusa_deer · Post by **dhuusa_deer** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:26 am

SoMaLiSiZz

"DD >>> So did do u believe in an eye for an eye?"

No. I believe crime fitting the punishment. Eye for an eye is stupid.

SoMaLiSiZz · Post by **SoMaLiSiZz** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:33 am

So what if the house wife brings her whole family AIDS (by Adultery) even the kids little sandy and David and the 9 month old baby Sara..

what then ?

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:35 am

Then that would be tragic. We don't stone people so we can have a nice, leave it to beaver, society. You are a kid aren't you. So naive. believing in panaceas. Someday you will grow up and learn the world can't be shaped the way you think. When I was 18 I was a member of the Libertarian party and voted for Lyndon Larouche - now I realize I had a lot to learn.

The Law26 · Post by **The Law26** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:51 am

[quote="SoMaLiSiZz"]:lol: Laughing

So what if the house wife brings her whole family AIDS (by Adultery) even the kids little sandy and David and the 9 month old baby Sara..

what then ?[/quote]

Somalisizz

Nice Aids analogy, is the game now to ppealing to cultural fears or upholding the Word of Allah SWT?

Do we follow the Quraan, or we judge by cultural traits and its bankrupt for failing to educate good Islamic morals and values to fight AIDS related adultry. Do we have to shun the Quraan, or educate Muslims about their religion and abstain from fornication and zina?

By the way, why did you use a woman in your analogy as the adulterer and HIV carrier who infects her family. Statistics state it is the opposite, most women Muslim or none-Muslim (in Africa), and nearly all (Middle-Eastern women) were infected by their husbands. I worked in Thailand and the majority of sex-tourists are Middle-Eastern Men in particular from the Gulf and the majority of them are Saudis. HIV is rife among the Thai prostitues and am talking about 10's of thousands of Saudi men in any given week. Their poor wives are wearing Niqaabs and are locked as a prisoner in her home, and waiting for her husband infect her.

What do you think they should be done to?