New Saudi train service for Gulf Arabs only.

[Enlightened~Sista]

Nobleman there is discrimination.Have you come across Somalida Somalia ka so hajiday? They are not treated like Somalida Britain/Westka ka so hajjiyey.

That's based on money not race

We are treated better because we have assumed this new identity.


Cumar walaal, they should allow students with good grades to pursue their further education, not everyone wants to study Islamic Studies in uni.Even you didn't here in the U.K.Fees should be made affordable for low income families.

[*Nobleman*]

Somali people's ignorance amazes me, we can't even fix our country and we have the nerve to criticize other countries who have done so much to improve the hajj experience for millions of muslims.

Wallahi when I went in 2007 I met many somali teenagers who were studying in the universities of makkah and madinah and they didn't have to pay a penny. Do you know that the saudi government offers scholarships to muslim men who live in non-muslim countries as well as 3rd world countries. They pay for their materials, accomodation and flight and much more and we have the nerve to be critical.

BTW nobleman, I couldn't agree with you more bro

I fully agree with you bro. Imagine somalida were the custodians of the haram, scary thought.

Can you imagine that during ramadan the saudi monarchy use to provide afur for millions of pilgrims, subxanallah, May Allah reward them. When it comes to sadaqa the arabs are generally very generous. They are humble and dont like to show off what they give often.

Also your right I know plenty of brothers in saudi universities, fully funded, all in the name of dawah

[malakumod]

http://english.aljazeera.net/video/midd ... 60622.html

these people are making a mockery of islam. islaam is a religion of equality unity, justice and universal brotherhood. the prophet use to perfom the hajj with all the other muslims everyone used to share the blessed experience of hajj. people used to come together in common brotherhood under one god, no rich, poor, no black or white no arab or non arab, just muslims.
now this so called custodians have changed all that. now hajj has five stars hotel, tour guards, pilgrims are who seperated into nations when performing the hajj and now they introduced racial seperation. some of you people are defending these people becuase of the money they supposdly spent the hajj. but little do they realise that money these people spend on the hajj is no there only personal money. the money these called custodians spent the hajj is the wealth of suadi arabia and not their own personal money. there is no reason why muslim should be gratful to these corrupt kings and princess spent most of the indulging the gaalo life style

[Leila25]

If i defend the arabs i get accused of being an arab lover by the likes of Ruralman and now according to you i am a hater. You are adamant there is no discrimination when it is clear and come up with a silly excuse such as it is a "test on the locals", what about the millions of foreign workers who live and work in Saudi? Are they part of this test?

[*Nobleman*]

http://english.aljazeera.net/video/midd ... 60622.html

these people are making a mockery of islam. islaam is a religion of equality unity, justice and universal brotherhood. the prophet use to perfom the hajj with all the other muslims everyone used to share the blessed experience of hajj. people used to come together in common brotherhood under one god, no rich, poor, no black or white no arab or non arab, just muslims.
now this so called custodians have changed all that. now hajj has five stars hotel, tour guards, pilgrims are who seperated into nations when performing the hajj and now they introduced racial seperation. some of you people are defending these people becuase of the money they supposdly spent the hajj. but little do they realise that money these people spend on the hajj is no there only personal money. the money these called custodians spent the hajj is the wealth of suadi arabia and not their own personal money. there is no reason why muslim should be greatful to these corrupt kings and princess spent most of the indulging the gaalo life style

Easy for us to criticize, harder to understand, just saying.

[yunis09]

this is pure discrimination...no other way to describe it, its like saying only hawiye can use this train, everyone else cant! if its about phases why not just limit and restrict the amount of passenger allow on the trains....

[Shirib]

Nobleman,

My initial post about Saudi making it a business might be more towards the local companies, restaurants etc. that are profiting a lot and no the Saudi government per se. But the government pretty much mandates that u get a hajj package to go which are given to private companies, which is a business model and this didn't always used to be the case.

[*Nobleman*]

Nobleman there is discrimination.Have you come across Somalida Somalia ka so hajiday? They are not treated like Somalida Britain/Westka ka so hajjiyey.

That's based on money not race

We are treated better because we have assumed this new identity.


Cumar walaal, they should allow students with good grades to pursue their further education, not everyone wants to study Islamic Studies in uni.Even you didn't here in the U.K.Fees should be made affordable for low income families.

Do you mean non saudis, living in saudi? or actual saudi citizens that are somali?

Imagine Britain started funding all the bright children that lived in the UK, but had no right to live here. How could any country sustain that? Saudi Arabia aint exactly a charity. As for somalis with saudi citizenship, well they enjoy as much rights to education as all saudi arabs.

[malakumod]

http://english.aljazeera.net/video/midd ... 60622.html

these people are making a mockery of islam. islaam is a religion of equality unity, justice and universal brotherhood. the prophet use to perfom the hajj with all the other muslims everyone used to share the blessed experience of hajj. people used to come together in common brotherhood under one god, no rich, poor, no black or white no arab or non arab, just muslims.
now this so called custodians have changed all that. now hajj has five stars hotel, tour guards, pilgrims are who seperated into nations when performing the hajj and now they introduced racial seperation. some of you people are defending these people becuase of the money they supposdly spent the hajj. but little do they realise that money these people spend on the hajj is no there only personal money. the money these called custodians spent the hajj is the wealth of suadi arabia and not their own personal money. there is no reason why muslim should be greatful to these corrupt kings and princess spent most of the indulging the gaalo life style

Easy for us to criticize, harder to understand, just saying.

waan gartay.
ok sxb bal please explain to me how in any shape and form this action is acceptable in islam or even in non islamic way.
even hindus who have caste system bath together in the dirty waters of the ganges

[Shirib]

Nobleman there is discrimination.Have you come across Somalida Somalia ka so hajiday? They are not treated like Somalida Britain/Westka ka so hajjiyey.

That's based on money not race

We are treated better because we have assumed this new identity.


Cumar walaal, they should allow students with good grades to pursue their further education, not everyone wants to study Islamic Studies in uni.Even you didn't here in the U.K.Fees should be made affordable for low income families.

In this case we are treated better because we have more money than the average xaaji or xaajiya from Somalia. Its the money factor here and not something else you are trying to create in your head

A Somali is a Somali at the end of the day, they don't know that you're from the West, Somalia, or homegrown.

[*Nobleman*]

If i defend the arabs i get accused of being an arab lover by the likes of Ruralman and now according to you i am a hater. You are adamant there is no discrimination when it is clear and come up with a silly excuse such as it is a "test on the locals", what about the millions of foreign workers who live and work in Saudi? Are they part of this test?

Ok your making perfect sense (not). Let Saudi Arabia spend billions of pounds just to discriminate, how does that make sense. I clearly quoted the article that said the full service will be open to all in a matter of weeks. So saudis are discriminating for two weeks, hardly a big deal. People are excluded from using one small service for a matter of weeks and somehow that accounts to discrimination

waan gartay.
ok sxb bal please explain to me how in any shape and form this action is acceptable in islam or even in non islamic way.
even hindus who have caste system bath together in the dirty waters of the ganges

People are excluded from using one small service for a matter of a few weeks, how does that accounts to discrimination.

[Enlightened~Sista]

Nobleman these people have IQAMA the residential permits.They live and work there and have families.I'm not saying they should make it free..but more affordable for poor people.


Shirib

Many nations have their own sections and are comfortably sitting in seats but Soomalida are made to sit on the floor.

[Enlightened~Sista]

In this case we are treated better because we have more money than the average xaaji or xaajiya from Somalia. Its the money factor here and not something else you are trying to create in your head

A Somali is a Somali at the end of the day, they don't know that you're from the West, Somalia, or homegrown.

Yes they do know that because of your passport and the delegation you're travelling with.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Somalis are the biggest haters. Even if the Harram was in somalia and the country was sitting on loads of oil, somalis wouldn't accomplish anything the fat saudis have. I would imagine they would be killing eachother, hajj would be virtually impossible because pilgrims would be killed in the cross-fire and the kaaba would be soo full of bullet-holes we'd be able to finally see what's inside.

[Enlightened~Sista]

People are excluded from using one small service for a matter of a few weeks, how does that accounts to discrimination.

They can't access many government services..there are hospitals/clinics only for Saudis for instance.Even if you live next to it you can't go to it even in the case of an emergency.