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I've been saying that religion and state should be separate ever since I got here. I didn't know being secular rendered one a disbeliever. Perhaps in conflict with wahabist doctrines, but not a disbeliever. Besides, MSB was a secular leader who was concerned with the Earthly kingdom rather than the heavenly kingdom. He didn't enforce Islamic law nor interfere in matters of faith. He just ran the state.

union wrote:The Somali nation needs to be lead by strong, secular leaders who are concerned with the Earthly world rather than the heavenly one. Only then can it be once again a tolerant and secure nation for all of its citizens.

You've crossed the line sxb.

You are no Marehan.

union wrote:The Somali nation needs to be lead by strong, secular leaders who are concerned with the Earthly world rather than the heavenly one. Only then can it be once again a tolerant and secure nation for all of its citizens.

So you live only for this world and not for the hereafter what kind of Muslim are you ?

The_Emperior5 wrote:

union wrote:The Somali nation needs to be lead by strong, secular leaders who are concerned with the Earthly world rather than the heavenly one. Only then can it be once again a tolerant and secure nation for all of its citizens.

So you live only for this world and not for the hereafter what kind of Muslim are you ?

I think my statement can be interrupted in a manner in which I didn't mean it. I meant that religion should be separate from the affairs of state, and that leaders should concern themselves with Earthly affairs (like foreign relations, domestic affairs, international trade, etc) instead of also concerning themselves with the religious affairs-like forcing people to pray, dictating religious doctrine because that should be dealt with by the imams and sheiks, and not the leaders.

union wrote:

The_Emperior5 wrote:

union wrote:The Somali nation needs to be lead by strong, secular leaders who are concerned with the Earthly world rather than the heavenly one. Only then can it be once again a tolerant and secure nation for all of its citizens.

So you live only for this world and not for the hereafter what kind of Muslim are you ?

I think my statement can be interrupted in a manner in which I didn't mean it. I meant that religion should be separate from the affairs of state, and that leaders should concern themselves with Earthly affairs (like foreign relations, domestic affairs, international trade, etc) instead of also concerning themselves with the heavenly affairs-like forcing people to pray, dictating religious doctrine because that should be dealt with by the imams and sheiks, and not the leaders.

I understand what you mean walaal. And i agree. Religion should be separate from politics. Everybody thought that Saudi arabia with sharia laws had followed Islam. But yesterday they revelead that Saudis wanted americans to bomb their fellow Iranian muslims. Thats a prime example why religion and politics dont go hand in hand.

Islam is a way of life and can be incorporated into state of affairs using sound logic and intelligence without the illiterate emotions of extremists. Still, what you have said is grievous.

union wrote:^

I've been saying that religion and state should be separate ever since I got here. I didn't know being secular rendered one a disbeliever. Perhaps in conflict with wahabist doctrines, but not a disbeliever. Besides, MSB was a secular leader who was concerned with the Earthly kingdom rather than the heavenly kingdom. He didn't enforce Islamic law nor interfere in matters of faith. He just ran the state.

Edit: I just realised your comment was directed at Voltage. Apologies.

union wrote:^

I've been saying that religion and state should be separate ever since I got here. I didn't know being secular rendered one a disbeliever. Perhaps in conflict with wahabist doctrines, but not a disbeliever. Besides, MSB was a secular leader who was concerned with the Earthly kingdom rather than the heavenly kingdom. He didn't enforce Islamic law nor interfere in matters of faith. He just ran the state.

Sxb, don't let the wahabi doctrine veil you from the true Islam. Belief in the superiority of Sharia law over secularism is an essential part of our religion albeit the misuse of it today by extremists, it still is.

union wrote:The Somali nation needs to be lead by strong, secular leaders who are concerned with the Earthly world rather than the heavenly one. Only then can it be once again a tolerant and secure nation for all of its citizens.

@ Coeus

Thanks, I'm glad you understand. Only Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was able to lead a state where Islam was "incorporated into state of affairs using sound logic and intelligence" (like our friend, Voltage, so eloquently put it), and he was receiving divine revelation to guide him. All other mortal men who have tried to incorporate religion and state, except for a righteous few, abuse the faith as a political tool, like Al Shabab. We mustn't allow that to happen.



Also, people should be careful not to misconstrue a person's words and so readily use epithets, like "kaffir", when you have disagreements on sensitive topics. Or you must be ready to take responsibility for using such words on a day of reckoning.

union wrote:Also, people should be careful not to misconstrue a person's words and so readily use epithets, like "kaffir", when you have disagreements on sensitive topics. Or you must be ready to take responsibility for using such words on a day of reckoning.

I am the only person who uttered such a word and I did not call you a kaffir but said "that is a kaffir statement". But since you are my sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub clan and live in the same city as me I propose we meet and get to the bottom of some of your anti-Islamic feelings not that I assume or call you a murtad. What say you reer Warsame man?

Voltage, help this guy before he ends up as XKeyse.