are we allowed to have concubines?

[Bamaarn]

Men and women are different. What a wasakh

gp, I suspect Yeezy is Galool or one of the other banned atheists. You should notify the admin or mods.

[abdisamad3]

who is this yeezy a girl or a guy

[burhaan2010]

wt allah(swt) has made halal cannot be made haram. so yes its permisable as long as you can afford to take care of the concubines.

[HalfDzed]

Samadoon

Don't mock the religious rulings with your jokes.

who said I'm mocking the deen bro,i'm only shedding light on how the proponents of the west have changed our deen from the inside without even us taking notes.I'm shedding light on how bidca indulging indivisuals have infiltrated our deen to make it western standards compatible, and they dared to void the sacred text of allah with a strike of their pen. this practice,concubines, was apolished sometime in the late 18 or 19th centurey under the cover up of a self styled so called religous learned men who were pawns of the british colonizers and arab emires in the arabian peninsula and middle east.
I apologize if I presented the issue in a sensational manner,I had no ill intentions but rather it was out of love for my deen and learning my deen.thus I invite reer Snet (the learned ones) to dissect this issue, and get to its crux.lets not be orchards and stick our heads in the ground or be intellectual cowards.
the prophet says a man that abstains from telling the xaq(truth) is a silent satan. so lets not be a shytan and explore this issue.

p.s: I'm sure there are few islam hating individuals who will jump on this opportunity,I suggest we ignore them. and respond to objective arguments that are disucssing things within islamic parameter.

You raise valid points and I agree with you when you say many Muslims try to white-wash the religion to appease others. And doing that is of course wrong, but we can discuss these things with accuracy and in an informative fashion, that was my point. Nobody can deny the validity of mulk al-yamiin in Islam and their purpose, even Prophet Ibrahim (as) had Hajjar as a mulk al-yamiin who bore him Isma'el. Its as real as it can get, but is today in this environment & with us, possible?

If you say we should all go and start grabbing random non-Muslim women off the streets & marketplaces - it sounds a bit over the top.

I look at these things as everything serves a purpose in Islam, no matter how unsettling some people might find them. There's a wisdom behind all these rulings, best thing is to accept them and approach them with positive mentality. A lot of times, the shaytaan whispers all kinds of things in to our soul & we think its our thoughts, but that's not always the case. We just need to keep an open mind and remember these rulings came from a divine being who's far more knowledgeable than us. But, at the same time, try not to cause a rackus or even confusion by misrepresenting the religion.

[samadoon-waaxid]

lool samadoon, sxb it wasn't something Islam invented , it was practiced way before Islam it was the norm of those days , and Islam was trying to end it slowly by making a7kaam and shuurud to limit it , the wars was the main source of salves and concubines but today we don't have that many wars or at least we don't take people as salves

Garaad, thats argument is sterile bro.Allah made the halal and the haram very clear, the practice is limited with shuruud to regulate it, but suggesting that islam wanted to end this practice eventually is a pure guess work and there is absolutely no theological evidence to support it,i reckon.

[Mzbeautifull]

So hold up .. I don't get this part of the text
if you do have a female slave you are allowed to have sex with her
but when she does give birth to a child of yours she is set free?
The child is a bastard though
.. I mean why not just marry her ..?

[Yeezy]

who is this yeezy a girl or a guy

why should it matter

respond to my arguments with logic and reason

rather than just yelling for me to shut up

[burhaan2010]

who is this yeezy a girl or a guy

why should it matter

respond to my arguments with logic and reason

rather than just yelling for me to shut up

are you muslim? in islam we respond to arguments based on the quran and hadith, not ur made up emotional woman logic.

[Yeezy]

So hold up .. I don't get this part of the text
if you do have a female slave you are allowed to have sex with her
but when she does give birth to a child of yours she is set free?
The child is a bastard though
.. I mean why not just marry her ..?

don't worry sister there is no logic behind any of this

its man made hence the lack of any consistency in reasoning

[grandpakhalif]

So hold up .. I don't get this part of the text
if you do have a female slave you are allowed to have sex with her
but when she does give birth to a child of yours she is set free?
The child is a bastard though
.. I mean why not just marry her ..?

don't worry sister there is no logic behind any of this

its man made hence the lack of any consistency in reasoning

Are you an atheist? There's clear proof in the Quran....

[samadoon-waaxid]

You raise valid points and I agree with you when you say many Muslims try to white-wash the religion to appease others. And doing that is of course wrong, but we can discuss these things with accuracy and in an informative fashion, that was my point. Nobody can deny the validity of mulk al-yamiin in Islam and their purpose, even Prophet Ibrahim (as) had Hajjar as a mulk al-yamiin who bore him Isma'el. Its as real as it can get, but is today in this environment & with us, possible?

If you say we should all go and start grabbing random non-Muslim women off the streets & marketplaces - it sounds a bit over the top.

I look at these things as everything serves a purpose in Islam, no matter how unsettling some people might find them. There's a wisdom behind all these rulings, best thing is to accept them and approach them with positive mentality. A lot of times, the shaytaan whispers all kinds of things in to our soul & we think its our thoughts, but that's not always the case. We just need to keep an open mind and remember these rulings came from a divine being who's far more knowledgeable than us. But, at the same time, try not to cause a rackus or even confusion by misrepresenting the religion.

u just asked the same question I was trying to get at bro,the xukum is there in our deen.I believe it could be possibly practiced at this age, if we figure out how to adapt and regulate it according to our modern day context in terms of the jurisprudence. as you may noticed the latest comprehensive works on that issue was of ibn qudama(who lived few centuries ago,raximahul allah)

my earlier remarks were meant to be thought provoking to the young populace of snet niyahow,thats why i apologized if they might have came across as provocative cuz I realized wax ma garato ayaa meesha ka buuxa oo naago cadaan ah doonanaya hadee waxaas akhreyaan
and u right about everythign having a purpose, and sometimes our long term interest might in something that we dislike or dont favor as allah says in the quran "and you may like something which is harmful to you,and you may dislike something that is beneficial to you.Allah knows the best and you(humans) do not know"

[Yeezy]

who is this yeezy a girl or a guy

why should it matter

respond to my arguments with logic and reason

rather than just yelling for me to shut up

are you muslim? in islam we respond to arguments based on the quran and hadith, not ur made up emotional woman logic.

but shouldn't the logic of the quran and hadith be based on reason?

I mean if you can't validate your belief based on reasoned logic......then your saying that your belief are by definition IRRATIONAL

[Yeezy]

So hold up .. I don't get this part of the text
if you do have a female slave you are allowed to have sex with her
but when she does give birth to a child of yours she is set free?
The child is a bastard though
.. I mean why not just marry her ..?

don't worry sister there is no logic behind any of this

its man made hence the lack of any consistency in reasoning

Are you an atheist? There's clear proof in the Quran....

I don't know....

I have a hard time accepting things that don't make sense to my rational mind. Practices such as this in Islam is one of the reasons that I have a hard time accepting that its the true word of God. It seems more like the word of MAN.

How does it make sense for God to say on one hand NO SEX OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE

and on the other hand......OH YEAH BUT YOU CAN KEEP FEMALE SEX SLAVES AS PLAY THINGS

either its one or the other

you can't have both

[burhaan2010]

yeezy-but shouldn't the logic of the quran and hadith be based on reason?

I mean if you can't validate your belief based on reasoned logic......then your saying that your belief are by definition IRRATIONAL

naagtan cagli xumaa. just because u dont understand the reason behind it, doesnt mean there is no reason. how about you stop discussing something you dont believe in and leave our diin to us muslims.

[grandpakhalif]

Someone ban this kuffar, I think it's Hoowle under a new nick