What drives men to khanis-nimo

[HalfBked]

Schizophrenia is a neurobiological disorder, a malfunction that might threaten the natural order of things. Nevertheless, schizoid patients are able to reproduce and often do, they might even inflict harm on their off-spring during their auditory hallucinations or terror delusions, but from a biological perspective, they can reproduce just fine. Homosexuals on the other hand can not, not the way it was intended at least, which in itself is unnatural.

Furthermore, for something to be considered genetic, it must have a marker on the DNA chain, there isn't one for sexual orientation. The only time sexual orientation indicators were ever discovered in humans were during MRI specs in the 80s, when it was thought to be the amygdalae part of our Limbic system that might be responsible, since its also responsible for much of our memory and emotional responses. That's as far biological as sexual orientation gets and that's neither genetic, nor congenital.

[HalfBked]

This whole gay genetics farce began in the 90s when a then respected researcher and columnist for NIH released a study about a possible "gay gene" which has since been rebuked by numerous genetecists. They could never establish an actual "gay gene" on the human genome, specially the male chromosomes, the closest they ever got to was a possible "gay gene pattern" on the X, Y chromosomes, verdict is still not out on that one either. Its all theories and open to multiple interpretations. If you're a phaggot who can't control his urges & hates himself for it, of course you'll blame it on biology. But there is no established scientific link.

The amount of research that have gone in to trying to stablish a biological link to sexual orientation is staggering and better spent otherwise, to actual causes, instead of what phaggots choose to do.

[union]

I never said people with Schizophrenia cannot reproduce, I merely said the disorder results in decreased fecundity. Both homosexuals and people with schizophrenia have the ability to reproduce sexually, but often they do not make as many offspring as they biologically are able. It's funny how these two traits stay in the gene pool despite fundamental reproductive disadvantages.

Earlier you claimed that there was no evidence pointing towards the inherent nature of homosexuality. While we have no conclusive evidence proving without doubt that homosexuality is not a choice, to claim there is "none, whatsoever" is patently false. Any peer reviewed science journal will have thousands of articles about past and ongoing research into the nature of homosexuality, and while a fair number agree with your position (mostly from evangelical christian sources), you'll find that the majority of research does indeed support the notion that homosexuality it at least in part the result of forces outside the gay individual control.

It’s entirely possible, but unlikely, that homosexuality is purely the result of a person’s conscious will. But it’s also possible that homosexuality is a natural trait predetermined at birth, and this is the position supported by the majority of the research happening around homosexuality. Personal opinions are one thing, but the scientific basis of the assertion that “homosexuality is a choice!” is very flimsy indeed.

[HalfBked]

Let me know when they find that "gay gene", brother. Until then, I bid you a good night.

I'm a Muslim and firmly believe Allah will not punish someone for something beyond their control, if and a big if homosexuality is actually genetic/biological, malformity or inherent - if that is the case, then how can it be that its an immoral act with severe punishmentin Islam? Do you realize what you're suggesting? That Allah somehow goofed up on this one? It does not work like that. Science is man's work, while the religion is divine. That's my approach to this issue and believe Allah does not punish anyone for something out of their control. We bring our own demise and face their consequences thus after.

[melo]

Hormones and social conditioning. Gender confusion and homosexuality, often find themselves hand in hand. This can start at a very young age.

[union]

Now you leave the scientific debate and use arguments based on spirituality and personal belief.


Islam prohibits homosexual intercourse. Not homosexuality. Someone is born homosexual. It is my belief that such individuals are born that way as a test, as the whole point of human existence on this world is to prove one’s loyalty and devotion to God, yes? A homosexual must learn to control his urges, to devote himself to the will of God and lead a righteous life devoid of any homosexual interaction (as they pose great public hazards, among other things). Heterosexual men are also tested. Are we all not sexually stimulated by attractive women? Can we engage in fornication and adultery with such women? No. Everyone can control their sexual urges and lead vitreous lives if they so choose.

[HELWAA]

wow just wow...speechless.So maadama ay foolxumadi badatey ragi khaniisnimu ayey oo dhaqaaqen?Hmmm

[Knight of Wisdom]

Islam prohibits homosexual intercourse. Not homosexuality.

That didn't make sense one bit. It's like saying, "You can eat the Pig's liver, but not the Pig" . Homosexuality in general, regardless of what level it is has been prohibited in Islam.

[union]

Islam prohibits homosexual intercourse. Not homosexuality.

That didn't make sense one bit. It's like saying, "You can eat the Pig's liver, but not the Pig" . Homosexuality in general, regardless of what level it is has been prohibited in Islam.

The point I've been arguing is that someone cannot just will his/her homosexuality to go away as it is a condition existing at birth. Therefore your analogy is incorrect.

[Knight of Wisdom]

Islam prohibits homosexual intercourse. Not homosexuality.

That didn't make sense one bit. It's like saying, "You can eat the Pig's liver, but not the Pig" . Homosexuality in general, regardless of what level it is has been prohibited in Islam.

The point I've been arguing is that someone cannot just will his/her homosexuality to go away as it is a condition existing at birth. Therefore your analogy is incorrect.

Homosexuality isn't a condition that exists at birth. It's a sickness that one can lure him/herself into at anytime they want and can stop at any time they want.

Homosexuality is like premarital sex. One can become a Homosexual, due to NO FEAR or SHYNESS in Allah, the same way one can FORNICATE, due to NO FEAR or SHYNESS in Allah. The difference is, homosexuality's punishment is by death, while fornication's punishment is by wipe.

[union]

Homosexuality isn't a condition that exists at birth

Personal opinion ≠ Truth

[Knight of Wisdom]

Homosexuality isn't a condition that exists at birth

Personal opinion ≠ Truth

Okay. Answer this, bro...is Heterosexual a condition existing at birth as well?

[union]

Homosexuality isn't a condition that exists at birth

Personal opinion ≠ Truth

Okay. Answer this, bro...is Heterosexual a condition existing at birth as well?

Babies are born heterosexual, yes.

[Knight of Wisdom]

Homosexuality isn't a condition that exists at birth

Babies are born heterosexual, yes.

So, a baby born heterosexual can't choose to become a homosexual? If the answer is NO, he/she can, then clearly homosexuality isn't a condition existing at birth.

[union]

So, a baby born heterosexual can't choose to become a homosexual? If the answer is NO, he/she can, then clearly homosexuality isn't a condition existing at birth.

A baby who is born heterosexual cannot choose to become gay.




Anyway I don't want to play devils advocate too long so let's leave it here.