It is sad I come from one of the most primitive and the

[TheblueNwhite]

[Voltage]

thank you for the answer

and yes i am typical somali, why wouldnt i be? and by your hypersensitive reaction to the drought and the eminent famine, i say you are not better than those pastoral camel shaggers

Why should you be? You are an individual. Only weak people conform to what they believe they should because of birth rite. You did not choose to be a Somali so why conform to the ignorance of the typical Somali?

As for my reaction to the drought and famine, to that I will say you have only exposed the limitations of your understanding in what you attempted to debate. A pastoral Somali would not for a second care about drought and famine. To them, it was meant to be. Sense of complacency and lack of initiative that prevents taking steps to make sure it never happens again. This is why thousands of years, they still face the same problem their 60 ancestor faced.

[Voltage]

RichFarax, wallahi bay ila tahay you are the most reer baadiye minded of anyone who responded thus far. You display very apparent geeljire mannerism. Waxaad is mooday iyo waxaad tahay.

[malibu]

Then tell us please mr. Voltage what you had done to make the somalis ,educated, devoloped, civilized, patroitic, if you one day become president of Somalia

I will never desire to be even something as small as a mayor in Somalia. Lack of political maturity combined with political hunger is one of the chief things that contributes to Somali stagnation.

As for what I have done? This topic attempting to reaching even the lot of you is something. Helping the alcoholic get off drinking is first achieved by tackling the denial of the alcoholic. This topic attacks Somali denial about the current realities of their people and nation.

The only way somalia can change is that young educated somalis like yourself who have seen the civilized world ( ) are going back to Somalia and taking the leadership in the country

[yunis09]

thank you for the answer

and yes i am typical somali, why wouldnt i be? and by your hypersensitive reaction to the drought and the eminent famine, i say you are not better than those pastoral camel shaggers

Why should you be? You are an individual. Only weak people conform to what they believe they should because of birth rite. You did not choose to be a Somali so why conform to the ignorance of the typical Somali?

As for my reaction to the drought and famine, to that I will say you have only exposed the limitations of your understanding in what you attempted to debate. A pastoral Somali would not for a second care about drought and famine. To them, it was meant to be. Sense of complacency and lack of initiative that prevents taking steps to make sure it never happens again. This is why thousands of years, they still face the same problem their 60 ancestor faced.

im not weak but rather im simple in my ways, and like you i do not see everything somali negative and primitive, and as for limitations, you are spot on, i just dont understand why one would just highlight the problems of his poor people without adding any solutions. yes i admit somalis are in state of darkness, and are making bigger mistakes then their forefathers, but there is not an excuse to belittle and look down upon them

[Richfarax]

RichFarax, wallahi bay ila tahay you are the most reer baadiye minded of anyone who responded thus far. You display very apparent geeljire mannerism. Waxaad is mooday iyo waxaad tahay.

Caadi iska deeg saaxiib. Reer magaal baan ahay iyo waliba, reer magaal to the bone. Your whole rant screamed insecurity to me saaxiib, look up don't look down. The world doesn't need any more cynics.

[Voltage]

im not weak but rather im simple in my ways, and like you i do not see everything somali negative and primitive, and as for limitations, you are spot on, i just dont understand why one would just highlight the problems of his poor people without adding any solutions. yes i admit somalis are in state of darkness, and are making bigger mistakes then their forefathers, but there is not an excuse to belittle and look down upon them

Part of the solution is ending the culture of denial. Do you understand this?

[Voltage]

Caadi iska deeg saaxiib. Reer magaal baan ahay iyo waliba, reer magaal to the bone. Your whole rant screamed insecurity to me saaxiib, look up don't look down. The world doesn't need any more cynics.

You remind me of a Special Ed kid back in elementary school who kept saying "I can sit in the normal classroom" and then when some other kids said no you can't, he said "you just fear I'll be better than you guys, that's why they don't let me go in there".

Caqli badan ma lehid ee ilaahay caqli haku siiyo. Dadka laga caqli badanyahay inaan la hadlayay hadaan ogaaday.

[FAH1223]

Somalia needs someone on the level of say, Mao or Mustafa Kemal to radically change things.

Somali people have never had a leader like that who could radically change the complacency, the lack of hunger, and stagnant poltics.

[Richfarax]

You remind me of a Special Ed kid back in elementary school who kept saying "I can sit in the normal classroom" and then when some other kids said no you can't, he said "you just fear I'll be better than you guys, that's why they don't let me go in there".

Mr voltage, now with a comedic response? Well to be honest it was expected, right on que in all actuality. It seems like on this forum when one is pushed into a corner or is given a lyrical bashing per say. They respond in comical fashion, as if they are laughing their problems away. Like for example, a drug addict laughing away at his addiction instead of seeing why it occurred and what he can to terminate this weakness he has succumbed to. However, specifically on this very forum individuals seem to shoot out a witty(for lack of a better word) jab once they have been extinguished in a debate.

My friend I leave you with one parting message, you can also read all of my comments above. Don’t be arrogant, even intellectuals need to look at matters in several different lights. Such as, looking for the good in whatever is happening, don’t look at the clear factors as any fool can look at the obvious. Test yourself, better yourself, and push yourself.
~Rich advice.

[gemini_snake]

i don't know whether i should laugh at you or feel sorry for you. voltage, you go through this cycle every 4 months.. don't you think it's time you got some professional help?

[Ataleof]

I don't understand why people's responses to the OP are bitter and defensive. What he said is certainly true. If you have a pride in Somali history or the state in which Somalis as people are in today (the latter of which I doubt), the chances are you have other reasons for having this pride than the things whose lack in Somali society/history has been pointed out in the original post. Moreoever, most people use literary/scientific achievements, significant inventions, written history, current economic progress and so on, as a source for national pride, all of which aren't abundantly provided with Somalis. Few minutes ago before venturing into this thread, I was wondering the corresponding phrase in Somali for 'integral domain', but it probably doesn't exist. If you think this isn't pity-worth, then you're delusional!

[Voltage]

Moreoever, most people use literary/scientific achievements, significant inventions, written history, current economic progress and so on, as a source for national pride, all of which aren't abundantly provided with Somalis. Few minutes ago before venturing into this thread, I was thinking of the corresponding phrase in Somali for 'integral domain', but it probably doesn't exist. If you think this isn't pity-worth, then you're delusional!

Do you know how Tumaal came to be an insult in Somali culture?

Majority of Somalis = illiterate, uneducated, unskilled, desert nomadic parasites of the camel

Tumal = a skilled blacksmith, a maker of equipment, a mechanic...someone valued in all civilized societies on earth

However, the unlettered nomad was the majority and the skilled man was a precious minority so he came to be the individual looked down on, the person ridiculed for having tangible skills that could contribute to society.

It is the same case here. Those with enlightened thinking are a precious minority even among the Somalis of today which explains the unmitigated strong bouts of defense and even aggression shown for calling a spade a spade with respect to the conditions surrounding our primitive people.

If you have a pride in Somali history or the state in which Somalis as people are in today (the latter of which I doubt), the chances are you have other reasons for having this pride than the things whose lack in Somali society/history has been pointed out in the original post.

The only reason they have is emotional yearning. They have a sense of entitlement to pride, even when they do not deserve it, simply by virtue of being a Somali. If they were going by a metric of tangible judgement, they would have zero pride, more humility, and more determination to correct the lack of pride by embarking on endeavors that achieve it.

[TheblueNwhite]

We had the first democratically elected leader who stepped down after their first term.

In ancient civilizations our land was so rich and culture was so beautiful that Egyptian Pharoahs and Queens travelled to Somalia as a mark of high status. In even ancienter times, the first global merchants came on ships to Somalia frequently. We boasted the largest coast in Africa as well as the most advanced African trade market and were marked internationally as a hospitable and beneficially place for merchants and businessmen to visit.

It took the French 7 constitutions, nearly as many revolutions and several centuries to gain the peace they have now. It took the US two constitutions, a civil war, and a revolutionary war to get to where they are. Same can be said for any of the "Great 8" Nations.

We Somalis have enjoyed centuries of progress, peace and barwaako with no known civil wars or major fall outs in our history except for the one that began a mere 40 years ago.

How can you forsake/hate on ur people for only 40 years of fail when we've enjoyed nothing but prosperity by the grace of Allah in the past?

Only weak people talk like the OP.

[Voltage]

Only weak people talk like the OP.

To be honest, the weak man is the one who can't admit the truth to himself. You run from it, you hide from it, you cover your eyes if the problem will go away, etc/ You will never be strong enough to realize you have zero reasons to be proud of being a Somali. Not one.