The Taliban Mujahidin launch attacks in Kabul

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[Cali_Gaab]

The taliban are our version of Al shabaab, they had good intentions overall but a lot of misfits joined their ranks and have commited shocking attrocities. However, having to know many afghans has made me realise how much hatred they have for them, but thats another topic. I just wamy grandpa to explains whats so great about killing muslims in a police station.

[FAH1223]

The taliban are our version of Al shabaab, they had good intentions overall but a lot of misfits joined their ranks and have commited shocking attrocities. However, having to know many afghans has made me realise how much hatred they have for them, but thats another topic. I just wamy grandpa to explains whats so great about killing muslims in a police station.

he'll prolly say those muslims are kuffar

[Colonel]

A question to Cali_Gaab and SahanGalbeed.

If a christian man came to your house and took it by force, did whatever they want to your women and kicked you out...then your muslim neighbour who has lived next to you all your life goes to the christian man and says "i will help you keep control of this house that you have captured". What would you do?

Of course any man would fight for his property and family so how would you go about it? would you only fight the christian man occupying your house and ignore the muslim guy helping him even if he attacks you or would you attack both of them and have no mercy for the muslim guy since he is helping the christian guy occupy your house?

[Nomand]

the taliban is not the same as al shabaab.

just looking at al shabab rhetoric( we will capture soloman island, china,usa, vatican city) you will notice that these guys have no agenda except murder and more murder.

if u look at the history of the taliban u will notice that they are sincere in their cause.

al shabaab started a new civil war against their former brothers (icu). the taliban ended a civil war in 1996.

[grandpakhalif]

This thread is not focused on criticizing or insulting the Taliban, it is to celebrate their bravery, courage and steadfastness in their direct attack which held ISAF hostage for 20 hours, this was only a six man contingent by the way.

People who are emotionally invested in America like FAH and Sahan will never understand why we love them.

[Hussein53]

The taliban are our version of Al shabaab, they had good intentions overall but a lot of misfits joined their ranks and have commited shocking attrocities. However, having to know many afghans has made me realise how much hatred they have for them, but thats another topic. I just wamy grandpa to explains whats so great about killing muslims in a police station.

he'll prolly say those muslims are kuffar

How can you consider someone muslim when he is fighting along side the American army.

If you was around after the nabi (slw) died you would have consider the army Musalama ALKadhab MUSLIM and would consider Abu Bakr Khawarij.

Wallahi I hate these cowards, because they live in America and there too scared to tell the truth so shaydan has made there deeds fair seeming and there are others out there who have completely apostate.


Quran 4:75
"And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, "Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?"

Quran 4:76
"Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah , and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak.

Taghut=America
And here Allah tells you to fight against them but you fools follow a different Deen to the one revealed by ALLAH.

[Grant]

10 years on and the Taliban are still able to strike right at the heart of the most secured district of Kabul. Indeed this army is blessed, there is no way the west will win this war.

It's not for nothing Afghanistan is known as the "Grave yard of Empires"
No occupying power has ever won Afghanistan. The British tried, the Russians tried.
Now it's the turn of the Jewnited States of Perpetual war

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The history of Afghanistan has been dominated by invasion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Islami ... fghanistan

During the pre-Islamic period, Afghanistan was generally ruled by outside empires.

"Afghanistan was inhabited by the Aryan tribes and controlled by the Medes until about 500 BC when Darius the Great (Darius I) marched with his Persian army to make it part of the Zoroastrian Achaemenid Empire. In 330 BC, Alexander the Great (Alexander III of Macedon) invaded the land after defeating Darius III of Persia in the Battle of Gaugamela and Afghanistan became part of the new Greco-Bactrian kingdom. Some eastern parts of the country were controlled by the Indian Maurya Empire whose main religion was Hinduism. In the 1st century, the land became part of the Kushan Empire whose official religion was Buddhism.[2]"

The current situation is actually a civil war, with the Tajiks Uzbecs and Hazaras forming the national army, and the Pashtun forming the Taliban. They are all Muslim, so you may be able to call these suicides mujahidiin with respect to the US and NATO forces, but not with respect to the Afghanni forces who are resisting Pashtun domination. It's a complicated situation. When the Jewnited States of Pertetual War finally leaves, there will probably be as many unhappy Afghannis as happy Pashtuns.

[Colonel]

The current situation is actually a civil war, with the Tajiks Uzbecs and Hazaras forming the national army, and the Pashtun forming the Taliban. They are all Muslim, so you may be able to call these suicides mujahidiin with respect to the US and NATO forces, but not with respect to the Afghanni forces who are resisting Pashtun domination. It's a complicated situation. When the Jewnited States of Pertetual War finally leaves, there will probably be as many unhappy Afghannis as happy Pashtuns.

With all due respects how is it a civil war when half of the World is in Afghanistan trying to defeat the Taliban? As soon as NATO understands that the Taliban can not be defeated (apparently they're starting to understand) they will withdraw and the so called national army will be devoured by the Mujahideen.

[Grant]

Colonel,

The Northern Alliance existed as a challenge to the Taliban even before the US incursion.

Check out the demographics. This puppy is growing :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Afghanistan

Islam was the organizing factor for the resistance to the British and the Russians. The Taliban resistance to NATO and Karzai's government is just the Pashtun. They may be the largest Afghan minority, but they are hardly the whole country.

If they are seen as seeking their previous dominance, there will be serious opposition.

[gurey25]

They pulled of their own version of the Tet offensive..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tet_Offensive

This war in afghanistan has nothing to do with Islam it is a war for the freedom of the Pushtoon nation against foreign interference..
This the fault of the US again, they are bumbling fools who believe their own bullshit..
They should have brought back the king and courted the major pushtoon tribes while bringing the Pakistanis into the equation.
This would have nipped the problem in the bud, and the taliban would have been a tiny minority terrorist group with little support instead of the situation today where they are they represent the heart and the soul of the 30 million strong Pushtoon nation..

The US thought they could get away with allying with the former subjects of the Pushtoon, the Tadjiks, Uzbeks and Hazara while having a useless and hopelessly corrupt drug addled fiend Kharzai as a Pushtoon puppet.
This is why Karzai is today the Mayor of Kabul not President of Afghanistan, this is why within 48 hours of an ISAF withdrawl Kabul will be under Taliban control and Kharzai and his minions will be on the first flight out..

The US will negotiate with the Taliban, there is no other option, and the Pakistanis will be the intermedietaries..

Looks like the Pakistani Gamble payed off afterall..

Looks like a strategic Pakistani victory to me..

[SahanGalbeed]

The US will negotiate with the Taliban, there is no other option, and the Pakistanis will be the intermedietaries..

That's what Petraus been saying even before Obama came to the presidency , been done to a certain extent at the lower level . I agree with the rest of your post , but who am I as a foreigner here to root for one particular group{pashtuns} as opposed to another one , claiming that one is more muslim than the other ?

[934]

ha dhakhleysoo.

[Grant]

"This war in afghanistan has nothing to do with Islam it is a war for the freedom of the Pushtoon nation against foreign interference.."
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....With the rights and aspirations of the Afghan minorities..........

Absent NATO, the Northern Alliance moves back into it's old strongholds.........

[gurey25]

Grant thanks to foriegn interferance Afghanistan does not exist..
There is Pushtoonistan including the Persianized Pushtoons in Kabul and Herat, and the Rest..

The Ideal solution is to create 2 countries and the let the minorities live toghether in the north..
The reason minorites exist in the North is because ahmed shah durrani conquered them and created an empire..

A partition of Afghanistan is the only real solution other than picking sides, it allows everyside to gain some kind of victory..

If the US continues to side with the northerners they will have perpetual war and an unsustainable occupation, it is also against Pakistans long term interests.
If the US leaves things will be back to 2001 with the Pakistan/Saudia/UAE/Kuwait supported Pushtoon pitted against the Northern alliance supported by Iran/Russia/Turkmenitan/Uzbekistan and Tadjikistan .

since the Northern alliance was holding on the edge and were only stalemating the Taliban due to the skills and charisma of the Genius Ahamd Shah Masood, the lion of the Panshjir Valley.

There is no Ashmad Shah Masood to unite the different groups and his unique genius with botht eh strategic and tactical level is lost..

I suspect a Taliban Victory followed by possible escalation of the War with both Iran and Uzbekistan intervening.