The parting of the Seas 1993

[RovingMadness]

Only in your deranged mindset. Mohamud Yahya is a clan operative who is inspired by the same mentality as you. If Gen Axmed Jilacow was the monster he paints him to be, it shouldn't be too hard to find other sources to corroborate his claims. General Ahmed Jilacow when he died in 2007 was Interpol's East Africa Director. That someone with such International Justice standing can be accused of these wild accusations shows the limitations of their claims.

Saying Gen Ahmed Jilacow personally tortured the clan charlatan Mohamud Yahya is like saying General David Petraeus personally tortured Khalid Shiekh Mohamed at GITMO. Its for shock value and has no basis with reality

[Voltage]

Your shenanigans are becoming markedly juvenile.

[TheblueNwhite]

Only in your deranged mindset. Mohamud Yahya is a clan operative who is inspired by the same mentality as you. If Gen Axmed Jilacow was the monster he paints him to be, it shouldn't be too hard to find other sources to corroborate his claims.:

[RovingMadness]

Your shenanigans are becoming markedly juvenile.

Hehehe, that's a weird & ironic description of what happened on this thread

You are mentally infirm who can not even put his money where his mouth is. The only embarrassment in this thread is you who injected his laughable clan revisionism on a discussion intended to mark a cultural tradition only to hide his face in shame when given a chance to punctuate his fantastic lies with credible proof. You have always been a hopeless failure and you simply continued that pathetic tradition in this thread.

When I talk about Siyad Barre and his crimes; I will drown you in litany of evidence ranging from his own clansmen to international Human rights observers. Meanwhile, the only pathetic sustaince to your entire argument is a passage by a clan operative doing a hit job on General Axmed Jilacow. That's the difference between you & me. I put my money where my mouth is.

If you fail to present evidence, your lies will be punctured. Trust me to always do that

[CoolPoisons]

Roving Hutu waa caaq aan waxna fahmeynin

Voltage wuxuu keeney evidence muujinaya adeerka Twisted Hutu inu aha dhiigcab

Twisted Hutu oo cadiifad qabiil ku jirto ayaa aflagaadu ku bilaabey Voltage instead of bringing evidence

Voltage caadi ma ahan

[RovingMadness]

Roving Hutu waa caaq aan waxna fahmeynin

Voltage wuxuu keeney evidence muujinaya adeerka Twisted Hutu inu aha dhiigcab

Twisted Hutu oo cadiifad qabiil ku jirto ayaa aflagaadu ku bilaabey Voltage instead of bringing evidence

Voltage caadi ma ahan

You should be spending more time with your wife instead of making incoherent statements online.

[CoolPoisons]

Roving Hutu waa caaq aan waxna fahmeynin

Voltage wuxuu keeney evidence muujinaya adeerka Twisted Hutu inu aha dhiigcab

Twisted Hutu oo cadiifad qabiil ku jirto ayaa aflagaadu ku bilaabey Voltage instead of bringing evidence

Voltage caadi ma ahan

You should be spending more time with your wife instead of making incoherent statements online.

my undying time's already reserved for Ur mother

bijj ass, only I can talk about my wife

[Estarix]

Yahya is not creating a conjecture on the actions of Jilacow in order to paint him a badman, but this is merely a part on a written memoir in his life and the piece posted talks about his bad experience with Jilicow, where there were no questions or a trial and how he was unjustly thrown into prison. Sure you could question the extent in which he deplored the NSS. But you its not a acceptable or a reasonable argument to immediately jump to your guns and disprove his experience by accusing him of being clanishly motivated (you did not prove how he was clanish bias).


You could have an argument by saying that the event was impossible because Jilacow did not have a position in Somalia, but Jilicow was the head of branch in Mogadishu, so he was responsible for the detainees and the memoir certainly sounds reasonable.

[Voltage]

I am just amazed at how easily the tables have turned once the clan of the individual representing the former regime has had his clan variable tweaked. You control for the accusations but change the clan variable and the Somali hypocrisy unearths itself. Wallahi I will continue to be amazed at how easily my point has been made in this regard.

[ultratribalism]

Roving Hutu waa caaq aan waxna fahmeynin

Voltage wuxuu keeney evidence muujinaya adeerka Twisted Hutu inu aha dhiigcab

Twisted Hutu oo cadiifad qabiil ku jirto ayaa aflagaadu ku bilaabey Voltage instead of bringing evidence

Voltage caadi ma ahan

Your frustrated biwi is waiting for you.

[RovingMadness]

Yahya is not creating a conjecture on the actions of Jilacow in order to paint him a badman, but this is merely a part on a written memoir in his life and the piece posted talks about his bad experience with Jilicow, where there were no questions or a trial and how he was unjustly thrown into prison. Sure you could question the extent in which he deplored the NSS. But you its not a acceptable or a reasonable argument to immediately jump to your guns and disprove his experience by accusing him of being clanishly motivated (you did not prove how he was clanish bias).


You could have an argument by saying that the event was impossible because Jilacow did not have a position in Somalia, but Jilicow was the head of branch in Mogadishu, so he was responsible for the detainees and the memoir certainly sounds reasonable.

By now it's quite clear that the well documented & established facts about the regime's brutality is being exploited & distorted in a futile attempt to rewrite & influence the narrative on this painful topic by morally corrupt & indecent revisionists. The ultimate goal being to muddy  & darken this episode to the point where the villains and the victims are painted on the same brush. Moral ambiguity is what is being aimed for.

To believe that Gen Ahmed Jilacow- the father of the Somali Intelligence Service personally eavesdropped and spied on a petty politician; one would have to also believe the following: they would have to believe that 1) a person who had no military role from the early 1980s was capable of this crime,2) they would have to believe that someone who them-self was suspected of political dissent & ultimately jailed as a result was in position to torture others, 3) they would have to believe that of all the victims Gen Ahmed Jilacow supposedly tortured, only one individual Mohamud Yahya ( a political rival of Gen Jilacow) was the only one courageous enough to make such accusation, 4) they would have to believe that the entire spectrum of human rights organization such as Human Rights Watch & Amnesty International were complicit in Gen Ahmed Jilacow's supposed crimes since they failed to report them while documenting others done members of the dictator regime 5) they would have to believe that InterPol the practical arm of the International Court of Justice was also complicit in Gen Ahmed Jilacow's crimes since it not only ignored his supposed crimes but in fact named him the East African Director of InterPol from the mid 90s till the day of his murder in 2007. 6) they would have to believe that a Hawiye man whose cousins formed the USC was capable of bypassing orders of a Darod President to personally torture and spy on another Darod politician.

Now, which is more plausible that ALL the above are correct & true OR that Mr Mohamud Yahya was doing a politically and clanistically motivated hit-job on Gen Ahmed Jilacow- a man he extremely hated on both personal & clan reasons as attested to his own documents?

I rest my case!

Voltage,

You are about as convincing as a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest. 

[934]

who can guess why am laughing?

You smoking some good shit and watching Four Lions?