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Re: Azania out of the window!
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:10 pm
by Faranacab
EEGA9 wrote:I see no mention of Azania in the agreement, the Prime Minister has confirmed the official position of all sides.Kenya trained the TFG troops who were given the set objective of liberating the Jubba regions, those troops were collected by the elders of the region under the auspices of Prof.Gandi who went on to hold consultative meetings(30 altogether) with Politicians,Elders and Civil society groups hailing from the Jubba regions upon which the state of Azania was declared without contradicting the TFG Charter which supports the formation of any state consisting of two or more regions.The position of Sharif is irrelevant on the issue as he has no authoritative control over any of the entities in the Jubba regions(Lower Jubba to be specific), whether its the Azania state TFG troops or the Ras Kamboni brigade.Its a political ploy by both Kenya and Somalia to cover up the initial Political wrangling, this was Sharif's only card to derail Azania via denouncement of Kenya not for patriotic reasons but because of his feud with Azania and specifically with Prof.Gaandi.Now that the pressure has piled up on Sharif, this announcement in Nairobi is designed to calm the issue but clearly Sharif has not had his way.Kenya will not easily discontinue its support of Azania based on Sharif's cynical words, dismantling Azania will only cause further problems for Kenya.Its not a piece of paper which you can scrap in one-day, Kenya has only been a sponsor they haven't physically been involved in the state building process which has garnered the support of many politicians, elders and citizens of Jubbaland.It is only these people who can reverse Azania or scrap it to form a new state, its admin is already in parts of the Jubba region and Azania state troops are fighting alongside the Ras-Kamboni brigade aided by Kenya it would be counter-productive for Kenya to attempt to tear down Azania at this critical moment.In addition to its large Lobby in Kenya, Azania is not going anywhere anytime soon.
The future hope is Political reconciliation between Azania and the remaining political entities in places like Gedo to form a refined Jubbaland-Azania state.
Best post to be seen here, thanks Hanqadh.
Azania is not going anywhere anytime soon - Hanqadh
Re: Azania out of the window!
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:28 pm
by guhad122
Walee Shariif Dameer is on life support. The guy knows his term is over therefore he is attempting to remain relevant in last few months of his administration. Absame people fed him, saved him, protected him when he was on the run..I can't find that video of the Azania demonstration at East Leigh, but listen the old woman near the end of the video. She basically reminds Roseta that if it weren't the OGs, he would have been killed or captured alive by the Ethiopians. He is on his way out Saaxiib; you never want to mess with the big elephant in the room. How is he going to win when Absame, Harti, and Habar-Gidir are against his Dameer politics.
And good points Hangadh! See how no one said anything about Azania in that meeting and basically everthing comes down to what the locals want
And who are the locals; does this Dameer know his geography? Do his know where Kismayo is located? Doesn't he know it is the hub of Absame land sarounded by Absame cities in literally every corner whether it is Bu'aale, Afamdow, Jamaame, Badhaadhe, Xagar and so on? The Dameer needs some real geography not to mention some real histories on Somalia in general..
Re: Azania out of the window!
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:00 am
by AbdiWahab252
Guhad,
Beesha Sacad will be dispatching 500 military advisers to the Azanian government. These advisers will provide technical expertise, improve collaboration and harmony between the forces and help mobilize support for President Gandhi.
We are fully behind the Azanian government
Kismayo or bust
Re: Azania out of the window!
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:26 am
by Voltage
There is no such thing as Azania.
Re: Azania out of the window!
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:38 am
by The_Patriot
Re: Azania out of the window!
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:56 am
by D-Runner
http://azaania.org/
Its own website to silence its critics... the state is definitely a cut above the rest
Re: Azania out of the window!
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:00 am
by Khalid Ali
What voltage agrees with Rovingmadness
I think voltage's Merexaan side took over after a long secret session with tolka he was convinced not to support the Kablalax project
Re: Azania out of the window!
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:02 am
by The_Patriot
khalid ali wrote:
What voltage agees with Rovingmadness
I think voltage's Merexaan side took over after a long secret session with tolka he was convinced not to support the Kablalax project
My brother voltage wants to trust the guys that demoted Farmajo. Its a De ja vu.
Re: Azania out of the window!
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:20 am
by Voltage
I don't now why Patriot is acting dumb when from the get go he knows and we even talked about why I and Sade will never support "Azania". Let us put things in perspective. I am not against the Kenyan military incursion. I am against "Azania". I have been against "Azania" before Roving had even heard of it;
Last August;
And more months before Kenya military
Voltage wrote:Patriot, "Azania" was opposed because it was Kenyan hotel lunch with no true representation from the land, with no participation from credible stake holders (in fact tried to sideline them) and all this while you had not an inch of the land to claim legitimacy.
Azania was always a non-starter and then Wikileaks exposed how Gandi was really thinking.
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=286424&p=3354616&h ... a#p3354616
Etc etc etc.
Re: Azania out of the window!
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:27 am
by The_Patriot
Hiraale heading to the promised land.
Kismaayo or Bust
Re: Azania out of the window!
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:28 am
by Voltage
Hiiraale is a man who could pass away tonight. It still won't make Azania a reality.
Re: Azania out of the window!
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:31 am
by The_Patriot
Voltage wrote:Hiiraale is a man who could pass away tonight. It still won't make Azania a reality.
you cant take a joke
this man need propofol on Azania
Voltage lets see and observe after all Somalia is full of surprises in it .
Re: Azania out of the window!
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:28 am
by Murax
Voltage wrote:Hiiraale is a man who could pass away tonight. It still won't make Azania a reality.
