Religion

[metamorphosis]

PO,

to make it short and sweet, its all about faith.

If you have faith, none can take it away from you and if you don't have faith none can give it to you.

U gotta believe my brotha

So you have fallen for my trap, despite the fact I told you exactly what my trap was.

Your whole thing is not faith but trust as I said. You trust that the books, what people believe, and what you believe is true, you call it faith.

Bro Faith in God and religion needs unconditional believe. But then disagreeing God's existence needs the same unconditional belief. So either case, you're a believer.

[union]

Muslim people believe the Qu’ran to be the word of God unchanged and unchangeable. A book which no falsehood can approach from the front nor the back, a merciful revelation from the sovereign of heaven to guide his creation to the path of righteousness and piety. A book unique in its style, most eloquent in its speech, clear in its expressions of the lawful and unlawful, conclusive in its proofs and protected from addition and omission. With that said, any textual scholarship of the Qu’ran which disagrees with progressive Muslim teachings is inherently incorrect.

I think the key word here is "believe". While Muslims wholeheartedly believe in the purity of their scriptures, others may not. Every belief system claims to be upon the truth, and every belief system claims to be the only route to salvation. I think what PO is trying to say is that it's easy to see the flaws in the logic of other belief systems, but we tend to temporarily suspend reason when it comes to our own. If we're being honest, every religion basically claims that what this book says is right because this book says it's right

lol @ your last sentence btw.

Yea, then it just boils down to faith, which is what it’s all about.

[Nabeela]

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"Min kana Yacbuda Mohamed fa ina Mohamed qadmas
Wa min kana Yacbudullah fa inallahu xayun la yamut"

Is that a direct quote, it's hard to read your arabic.

[Based]

Yes that is all good, and you can go ahead and do that. But you also have to trust the countless number of people who have come after them to bring this message to you. You don't live 1400 years ago, so you have to trust that it is all there, which adds on to the first trust you already have, which is that it is all true.

Why are you proselytizing on snet?

antitheists ftl

[union]

Union by far is the most interesting case. As I understood from his post, the book is inherently wrong. It is wrong based on the standards, customs, ideals of the people who look into it. If it is wrong for one time, then it is wrong for all time. Union if one statement can be wrong, then all the statements of it can be wrong. That is just logic.

The truth of the Qu’ran is eternal, it’s the unadulterated word of God so by principle (meaning by definition) it cannot be wrong, as one of the attributes of God is all knowing (Al-'Aleem) and all wise (Al-Ḥakīm). But textual scholarship of the Qu’ran by some mortal beings can be misguided, as they are fallible. Only if a person approaches the Qu’ran through humility (and not the self righteous air of most clergy) and genuine pursuit of knowledge will they be able to tap into the wisdom, from my point of view.

[Shirib]

Yes that is all good, and you can go ahead and do that. But you also have to trust the countless number of people who have come after them to bring this message to you. You don't live 1400 years ago, so you have to trust that it is all there, which adds on to the first trust you already have, which is that it is all true.

The message that I get (the quran) is the same as the one that i am getting today.

Even non Muslims historians will say that the Quran is still the same Quran that the Muslims had in the time of the prophet. Now your question isn't do you believe the Quran isn't unchanged, but rather do you believe or trust as you call it that the Quran is the true word of God at all.

Is that your question?

[metamorphosis]

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"Min kana Yacbuda Mohamed fa ina Mohamed qadmas
Wa min kana Yacbudullah fa inallahu xayun la yamut"

"Those who worshipped ,know that Muhammad is dead. But whoever worshipped Allah? Allah is alive and will never die."

Thank you.

[ToughGong]

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"Min kana Yacbuda Mohamed fa ina Mohamed qadmas
Wa min kana Yacbudullah fa inallahu xayun la yamut"

Is that a direct quote, it's hard to read your arabic.

No it's a recall from my memeory
laakiin I edited with the Eng translation

[union]

I actually accept Allah's mercy and think it should be shown at all times.

I also believe that cutting limbs in the most literal sense is part of the Quran and has been accepted by every single major scholar of Islam.

But in the 21st century, union of snet thinks that, that ayah is no longer acceptable in these progressive times, as if the Quran is like the Torrah or Bible.

May Allah protect us from these kinds of men, who try twist and turn the Quran, and make it suite them as the Jews and Christians before them did.

Amiin

You have a serious obsession with chopping of limbs.

[FAH1223]

Bro Faith in God and religion needs unconditional believe. But then disagreeing God's existence needs the same unconditional belief. So either case, you're a believer.

[Shirib]

I actually accept Allah's mercy and think it should be shown at all times.

I also believe that cutting limbs in the most literal sense is part of the Quran and has been accepted by every single major scholar of Islam.

But in the 21st century, union of snet thinks that, that ayah is no longer acceptable in these progressive times, as if the Quran is like the Torrah or Bible.

May Allah protect us from these kinds of men, who try twist and turn the Quran, and make it suite them as the Jews and Christians before them did.

Amiin

You have a serious obsession with chopping of limbs.

I'm actually agreeing with a lot of what you're saying today. Lets not ruin that.

Salaam my friend

[Nanees]

Bro Faith in God and religion needs unconditional believe. But then disagreeing God's existence needs the same unconditional belief. So either case, you're a believer.

a belief in nothing is still a belief nigga's a paradox.

[metamorphosis]

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"Min kana Yacbuda Mohamed fa ina Mohamed qadmas
Wa min kana Yacbudullah fa inallahu xayun la yamut"

Is that a direct quote, it's hard to read your arabic.

No it's a recall from my memeory
laakiin I edited with the Eng translation

Hopefully someone should correct us with the authentic hadith if not, people here know where we are going with it.

[grandpakhalif]

Actually if you read the 2nd ayat of the Quran (textually speaking) it is "Thalikal kitaabu la rayba fi, huda lil muttaqeen" This is book in which there is no doubt, guidance for the god conscious, so Allah clears it up immediately, concerning doubt.

[ToughGong]

I'm actually agreeing with a lot of what you're saying today. Lets not ruin that.

Salaam my friend

Strangely so am I,especialy with tthat last "limbs statement of his"