The Case for "Qabilism" [NOT a "Clan Post;" Open your Minds]

[Based]

lol @ advocating for your ethnic group's perpetual backwardness. Hey, what's wrong with archaic social constructs and our inability to progress past outmoded methods of social organization?



Oh, yeah

[Lamagoodle]

lol @ advocating for your ethnic group's perpetual backwardness. Hey, what's wrong with archaic social constructs and our inability to progress past outmoded methods of social organization?



Oh, yeah

Tell that to the less gifted and they will call you names. Somali tribalism provides Hubert Spencer (one of the founders of social darwnism and its vogue) with ample evidence to verify his theory.

The point is that concepts such as social constructs is difficult to grasp for people with reptile brains.

[waryaa]

If I had my way I'd abolish tribal mentality even if millions die in the process. Eliminate all the infected (like the mad cow disease) and repopulate the land with fresh minds. Backwardness is not imprinted in our genes, we inherit it from the environment that surrounds us. Dismantle that environment and you are good to go.

Marrying from your clan would be considered as treason punishable by sudden death.

[Lamagoodle]

If I had my way I'd abolish tribal mentality even if millions die in the process. Eliminate all the infected (like the mad cow disease) and repopulate the land with fresh minds. Backwardness is not imprinted in our genes, we inherit it from the environment that surrounds us. Dismantle that environment and you are good to go.

Marrying from your clan would be considered as treason punishable by sudden death.

Waryaa, at the heart of tribalism are two basic issues; Poverty and scarcity of resources.

The problem with somali tribalism is that we have not yet evolved into a stage where we utilise our brains. When I went to graduate school a number of years ago, we were asked to read the many aspects of evolutionary theory; biological evolutions, societal evolutions, economic and scientific evolution. I was fascinated by the works of Hubert Spenser (who ultimately killed social darwism because of his rants on eugenics) on the different strata of societal evolutions; Building on observations in Nigera, he claimed that blacksmiths, farmers etc were superior than nomads in terms of human intelligence.

Guess where somalis are on his social ladder?

[gobdoon]

Let us agree one thing if you glorify Qabiil and conduct everything on it's bases there is no doubt there would be no 21 century state nor there would be unity and cohesion so let us not misuse Qabiil beyond what the holly Quran tells us which is just to know each ather and know your kins but when We are talking about Somalia I believe We should put everything behind it even I beleive the religion the nation comes first and every citizen should be respected and listened to and we should all be equal before the law and everybody judged on their character and knowledge.

[LobsterUnit]

if you need an urgent operation on your left nut, I am sure your subclan will fork out 75 percent of the operation fee

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

FAH, the clan is not merely a sentimental symbol. Individuals, and sometimes even whole families & communities within a clan/sub-clan have the privilege & fortune of relying on the qabiil card during times of great burden. This special, designated privilege sparks greater civil action by the clan than any third-world regime could. In the most arid parts of the country, specifically the NW, NE, & Central zones, droughts were always of a catastrophic nature, and even during the last regime virtually nothing was done to alleviate the communities at the source level. In the long run, qabiil identity and appreciation will lead to prosperity & freedom on every level. The most genuine observers & practitioners of the clan system [the same 3 zones listed above] and its accompanying system of xeer have progressed the most in postwar Somalia when others waited. Following the guidelines of the collective clan tradition, those 3 regions have adopted a democratic/participative system of governance that is rapidly improving with time. Those regions have created very simple goals and expectations accorded to their modest platform, and every planned goal has since been met. Those regions also tend to have a different reaction when it comes to social action, as evidenced by the different approach they had to drought relief. A few years back a small reservoir-dependent town in NE zone experienced a sudden decline in their water storage tables amidst an abnormally dry season. The situation of the locals prompted an immediate plea by the town's mayor and elders, and within a day of seeing the headlines of forecast drought in that region people in that kinship group were emptying their pockets, even teenage girls working at retail shops gave substantial donations.

The scenario above only happened because the people of that little town were insured by a strong, unwavering supporting network, and it was the clan system that saved them. No government, even the local one, nor any organization was prepared or even willing to address this catastrophe gripping an obscure town they had no recollection of. Identical themes have a strong presence in NW & Central zone disaster response protocol. These regions have 1 more thing in common; since the formation of each of their purely clan-based administrations, the communities represented have yet to suffer through even the lightest of droughts & natural disasters that present in their lives from time immemorial till the proposals of their flourishing qabiil-goboleeds.

I ask you all to test the depth of your ignorance: I will post a picture far down below, and in the picture will be one skinny nigger devouring the bones of a chicken while a chubby gay-looking nigger watches in awe. Before you scroll down, create an image in your head based long-held notions about the description I gave. You will truly find your worldviews challenged. Good night.

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[Mondey]

Healthy clan discussions are always recommended and is an indivisible part of our culture/history.

Great post. You will find, not coincidentally, that those who advocate this anti-"qabilism" atmosphere are some of the most confused, depressed, and intellectually empty people on this forum, and you'll find the same in real life. Some of these sheep even make it late into adult life with this childish worldview, and all of them are pseudo-intellectuals who don't have an iota of information nor even conscious ideas on the topics they are supposed to represent - in sum, these people lack awareness of any kind & hold a very infantile worldview as well as being led by emotion rather than logic, they don't have genuine beliefs of their own, they're too dull for that. A classic case is the "Professor" Abdi Samatar who can openly criticize or condemn the various actors and misfortunes in Somalia but he doesn't offer any thoughtful solutions and his only role in respect to Somali society has been shit writings in periodical journals & opening his chimp mouth on camera. The worst quality of this crowd is that they love to preach and condemn, its quite literally a hobby & lifestyle for them, but don't have the mental capacity or genuine social concern/consciousness to implement or even propose plans of recovery and progress. Sad, sad, sad crowd.

Presenting thoughtful plans and ideas through journals, reports and conferences is as much as a devoted scholar to his nation can do. a country ruled by gun and gangs where the most corrupted always wins has definitely no place for a decent man like prof. Abdi and being part of that administration is a disgrace and dishonor to those men. unless a complete change from top to bottom takes place which is under process now.

[grandpakhalif]

AN URGENT APPEAL TO LEADER, MONK OF MOGADISHO

Somalinet continues to deteriorate, their are very few topics which do not include constant flirting, imbecilic discussions on menial matters and various other topics.

Just look at the Generals today: None of which are intellectually stimulating:

The criminals continue to create topics which is of little interest to old snetters such as robots, shukaansi, and other malayacni topics!

Oh! How I miss the days of olde! Where members jousted upon the horses of tribalism and rampant discussion and leading members of Somali society were discussed. Such as the legendary Ahmed Gurey Wars, and IPG exposure!

This forum is dead, R.I.P and I blame those bloody slifers who turned into an abyss and a hormonal playground.

[UlteriorMotive]

Looool

I remember browsing Slife a few times...and most of their topics related to marriage/Somali guys/Somali girls/BF/GF. A bunch of frustrated qurbo joog teenagers.

[Adali]

Tribalism flows like a river inside every Somali.

ohh God, i dread the time when i will face my son and teach him about his tribal affiliation, forever changing his innocent mind from thinking all Somalis are the same. Like father like son he will be a hazard onto his friends & their parents, the dugsi macalin and so forth, a sense of pride will explode inside him, the enemy tribe will react with envy at first but that will eventually develops into hatred perpetuating the evil that i have come to know as Qabiy, may God keep my son's feet firm on the grown for when the time comes.

[Basra-]

Monk.... you and your fat musings!


But to your thread, you do raise a very poignant question. Is WITHOUT Qabil or Qaabyaalad as u so vulgarly put it--a good thing for a Somali culture? Yes. Qabil is poisonous. Qabil is useless when mis-used--and the chances of it being 'properly used' is far more low, than the chances of it being improperly used. The thing is, qabil divides us more than it unites us. It is the drum of the devil, the music of the sheytaan. and YOU... fcuking dare ask :

"" if you eliminate the only redeemable quality in our crude shared culture. People of this forum, what IS left I ask?"


And i ask WHAT IS LEFT??? And i un-humbly answer or respond-- Eliminate "Qaabyaalaad", and u r left with our Singular Somali language, our Singular diin of ISLAM. Our Collective long shinny foreheads. Our rude, super-confident savage deliciousness and attitude. Our penchant and boasterings of being anti christ and anti civilization.Our partriotic tendancy to look out for each other when we are outside our qabilic villages. Our tendancy to copy each other, and tendancy to be xenophobic. Our blatant love for gossip and sticking our alongated nosey noses onto fellow man and Somalis business.

So, my dear fat Monk---tafadhlaan--- pull your chubby fat head out of the sand and smell the coffee. We Somalis, can do without Qabil----although----our depression will sky high eclipse if Qabil is removed amongst our important possession.--If Qabilism is removed from the equation: We are left with zero opportunities of condescending on groups or folks to, thereby eliminating that feel good golden opportunity to frown upon others less fortunate in looks, nasaabniimo and greatness. Imagine a world where there is no inferior moryaan to bash or allow to lick your high heel shoes. A world of No Mjs to walk around bashing hawiyas and any walking qabil--to showcase their imagined superiority even though ---they are 'shorter' than anyone else in the room. Imagine a world of no drunk isaaqs? A world of no midgaan who mascaradaes himself for a reer xamar or worst---an abgaal. Imagine a world of freak perpetual snitchers, the ogadens or the dhulbahantes? A world of mediocre and obscure--dirs or warsangelis and the marehaans. No- way---monk---i beg to differ----Long LIVE Qabilisims---I declare---Long LIVE the Oddities, the singularity and goodies that encompass our GREAT o'l Somal-----niimo! Long LIVE the freaking qaabyaalist Somali!

[AhmedBoqor]

I'd love to write paragraphs detailing why the hell Qabiilism is bad for the country, but look no further than the reasons this country got into a civil war....

Monk, I love your posts man, right up there with in terms of the useful information you partake along with Coeus, but Somali clans, just like the histories and facts of WW1 & WW2, should be left in a history class, not having to be part of our social construct because it will inevitably lead us to the shit faces we are now, full of shit.

[Basra-]

Ahmed

Your pretentious need to sound more civilized irks me.

[AhmedBoqor]

I think to irk you of all people is quite an achievement, so thank you for the compliment.