shirib soo gal

[BlackVelvet]

So then it becomes, when you worship God you understand him and it brings you closer to him?

You know what, that makes perfect sense but has it taken too much away? Words like "slave" and "command" have negative connotations, they may be true lakin they undeniably put people off.

I know this boderline agnostic guy who is so lost and he is looking for something you can see it in his eyes.

[Alchemist]

You would call the non Muslim to believe in Allah first to accept his oneness and power over all things. Only when the non Muslim accepts that you can address all the other issues like worship and belief in the quran.

[Alphanumeric]

You would call the non Muslim to believe in Allah first to accept his oneness and power over all things. Only when the non Muslim accepts that you can address all the other issues like worship and belief in the quran.

[BlackVelvet]

But then this person believes in a God or a Creator but finds organised religion restrictive. Praying 5 times a day the way a Muslim would wouldn't make sense to them. The why there are rules on these things he just doesn't understand. That's why he's not Christian anymore.

[Shirib]

I don't understand, how can it possibly be all three? If it's the first, you can't worship/believe efficiently without knowing and understanding His attributes. If it's the second, then knowing Allah is simply an act of worship. If it's the third, no one can know Allah until they complete an act of worship, regardless how much they try to read and understand.

Unless you're implying that there is a process, where understanding leads to ibaadah. But then, knowing still isn't simply ibaadah.

Perhaps my understanding is wrong.

I think its a process, that just knowing is the beginning but through worship you get closer and know more, the more acts of worship you do the closer you get and more you know.

But u have a good question, I will pose it to my teacher, and get answer from him Insha'Allah

[Alphanumeric]

But then this person believes in a God or a Creator but finds organised religion restrictive. Praying 5 times a day the way a Muslim would wouldn't make sense to them. The why there are rules on these things he just doesn't understand. That's why he's not Christian anymore.

There choice to fight restriction is a selfish one. Every law in Islam has its benefits. Here, the end justifies the restrictions. If they believe, they then have two options: 1. Hell. 2. Heaven. It is as undeniable as that. If their belief is sincere, they will choose wisely.


Shirib, how does an act produce knowledge? Knowledge is to obtain facts and information. Acting does not do this. Learning is key. Acting without knowledge won't lead anywhere. In fact, it may lead only to a negative end.

[Shirib]

Alpha,

I don't have an answer for you, but inshallah i will try to get you one.

[Alchemist]

But then this person believes in a God or a Creator but finds organised religion restrictive. Praying 5 times a day the way a Muslim would wouldn't make sense to them. The why there are rules on these things he just doesn't understand. That's why he's not Christian anymore.

BV this person hasn't truly believed. Faith and action go together, the action is the manifestation of faith. The prophet (pbuh) taught his companions about belief in Allah for thirteen years when their hearts completely accepted Allah as their creator all other things like prayer, fasting jihad etc were easy on them. If the person truly accepts a mighty God who created him from nothing exists he/she will have no problems in following the rules of God.

In the end guidance is from Allah.

[SultanOrder]

I don't understand, how can it possibly be all three? If it's the first, you can't worship/believe efficiently without knowing and understanding His attributes. If it's the second, then knowing Allah is simply an act of worship. If it's the third, no one can know Allah until they complete an act of worship, regardless how much they try to read and understand.

Unless you're implying that there is a process, where understanding leads to ibaadah. But then, knowing still isn't simply ibaadah.

Perhaps my understanding is wrong.

Alpha you can never truly come to know allah completely.

[Kuusane]

And I thought we will get shirib videos and stuff. disappointed!

[Alphanumeric]

Shirib, cool, anytime.

PO, yes, but you must attempt to learn. Acting simply isn't enough.

[BlackVelvet]

But then this person believes in a God or a Creator but finds organised religion restrictive. Praying 5 times a day the way a Muslim would wouldn't make sense to them. The why there are rules on these things he just doesn't understand. That's why he's not Christian anymore.

BV this person hasn't truly believed. Faith and action go together, the action is the manifestation of faith. The prophet (pbuh) taught his companions about belief in Allah for thirteen years when their hearts completely accepted Allah as their creator all other things like prayer, fasting jihad etc were easy on them. If the person truly accepts a mighty God who created him from nothing exists he/she will have no problems in following the rules of God.

In the end guidance is from Allah.