Grandpa you serious?

[grandpakhalif]

people still giving this kid the attention he craves for? mar horaan ka samray, igaarka ducoo u baahanyahay

I pray you make tawbah and stay away from the likes of Abu Qatada the khaarijite.

[qoraxeey]

cunuugaan iskaa dhaafaaa

[Nanees]

GK, The term salafiyaah came long after the death of the Salaf.

What was the name of their sect?

[Enlightened~Sista]

GK, The term salafiyaah came long after the death of the Salaf.

What was the name of their sect?

[Nanees]

GK, The term salafiyaah came long after the death of the Salaf.

What was the name of their sect?

if the saved sect is the sect of the salaf, and the salaf didn't call themselves 'salafiyyah' then the salafiiyah can be systematically eliminated in the running for who is the saved sect.

[grandpakhalif]

GK, The term salafiyaah came long after the death of the Salaf.

What was the name of their sect?

This is a common misconception Nanees, actually the Salaf used to use Salaf (first three generations) and I will bring you examples:


In addition, Prophet Muhammad (salallaahu 'alayhi wassallam) told his daughter Fatima:

"...I am a blessed Salaf for you."

So the best of mankind called himself a "Salaf."

Allaah Has Named us "Muslims," So Why call ourselves "Salafi"?

This doubt was very beautifully answered by Imaam al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah) in his discussion with someone on this subject, recorded on the cassette entitled "I am Salafi." Here is a presentation of the vital parts of it:

Shaikh al-Albaanee: "When it is said to you, 'What is your madhhab', what is your reply?"

Questioner: "A Muslim."

Shaikh al-Albaanee: "This is not sufficient!"

Questioner: "Allaah has named us Muslims" and he recited the saying of Allaah Most High, "He is the one who has called you Muslims beforehand." (al-Hajj 22:78)

Shaikh al-Albaanee: "This would be a correct answer if we were in the very first times (of Islaam) before the sects had appeared and spread. But if we were to ask, now, any Muslim from any of these sects with which we differ on account of 'aqeedah, his answer would not be any different to this word. All of them - the Shi'ite Rafidi, the Khaariji, the Nusayri Alawi - would say, "I am a Muslim." Hence, this is not sufficient in these days."

Questioner: "In that case I say, I am a Muslim upon the Book and the Sunnah."

Shaikh al-Albaanee: "This is not sufficient either."

Questioner: "Why?"

Shaikh al-Albaanee: "Do you find any of those whom we have just mentioned by way of example saying, 'I am a Muslim who is not upon the Book and the Sunnah?" Who is the one who says, 'I am not upon the Book and the Sunnah?'"

[At this point, the Shaikh began explaining in detail the importance of being upon the Book and the Sunnah with the understanding of the Salaf us-Saalih (righteous predecessors).]

Questioner: "In that case, I am a Muslim upon the Book and the Sunnah with the understanding of the Salaf us-Saalih."

Shaikh al-Albaanee: "When a person asks you about your madhhab, is this what you will say to him?"

Questioner: "Yes".

Shaikh al-Albaanee: "What is your view that we shorten this phrase in the language, since the best words are those that are few but indicate the desired intent, so we say, 'Salafi'?"

Bismillaah Al-Hamdulillaah wa salatu wa salamu 'ala Rasool Allaah

Amma ba'd


Proofs of Following Salaf from Qur`an and Sunnah, by Shaikh Abdus-Salaam as-Suhaimee, as read to us by a student of knowledge who was reading from Shaikh Abdus-Salaam as-Suhaimee's book Kun Salafiyyan 'ala Jad

The Shaikh (hafidhahullaah) stressed the importance of knowing the proofs of following the Salaf. He said this da'wah of the Salaf is the da'wah of Islam in following the 'aqidah, manhaj and character of the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) and the companions. This da'wah is from Allaah; this is the da'wah of wahi (revelation). Some people erroneously think this is a Saudia Arabia thing, or a Muhammad ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab thing. No, this is following revelation from Allaah - and not straying.


Proofs of following Salaf (and meaning of the word Salaf) from the Qur`an:

And We made them salafan (a precedent [as a lesson for those coming after them]), and an example to later generations. (Az-Zukhruf 43:56)

So if they believe in the like of that which you believe, then they are rightly guided; but if they turn away, then they are only in opposition. So Allaah will suffice you against them. And He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower. (Al-Baqarah 2:137)

And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhaajirun (those who migrated from Makkah to Al-Madinah) and the Ansaar (the citizens of Al-Madinah who helped and gave aid to the Muhaajirun) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allaah is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success. (At-Tawbah 9:100)

Proofs of following Salaf from the Sunnah:

Al-Bukharee and Muslim reported on the authority of Ibn Masood that the Prophet (salallaahu 'alayhi wassallam) said: "The best of mankind is my generation; then those who come after them; then those who come after them."

Abu Daawood and at-Tirmithee reported on the authority of 'Irbaadh bin Saariyah that Allah's Messenger (salallaahu 'alayhi wassallam) said: "Whoever of you lives (after me) shall see much difference of opinion; so adhere to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly-guided Caliphs after me; bite on to it with your molar teeth; and beware of innovations, for every innovation is misguidance."

And the Prophet, salallaahu 'alayhi wassallam, said: "Indeed the Jews split into 71 sects, and the Christians split into 72 sects, and this Ummah will split into 73, all of them in the Fire except for one." They said: "Who are they? O Messenger of Allaah." He said: "Those who are upon that which I and my Companions are upon today." [Abu Dawood, Ibn Maajah, Ahmad, and Ad Daaramee. Graded hassan-saheeh by Imaam Al-Albaanee]

Prophet Muhammad (salallaahu 'alayhi wassallam) told his daughter Fatima, "...I am a blessed salaf for you." (Bukhari, Muslim)

The Salafees are those who follow the Salaf in 'aqidah, manhaj, character, and manner of worship.

...and follow the path of him who turns to Me in repentance and in obedience... (Luqman 31:15)

And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad, (salallaahu 'alayhi wassallam)) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination. (An-Nisa 4:115)

Shaykh Muhammad Naasir ud-Deen Al-Albanee (rahimahullaah) points out that Allaah says (what means) "and follows other than the believers' way." Al-Albanee elaborated, "Our Lord did not stop short in this aya. And if He would have, the aya would still be correct and true. He did not say: And whoever opposes the Messenger after the right path has been shown clearly to him, We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination. Instead, due to His infinite Wisdom, He included: And He follows a way other than the way of the believers - and this is what we are focusing on. I hope that this aya becomes firmly grounded in your minds and in your hearts, and I hope that you don't forget it, because it is the truth."

Statements from other Salaf and their followers:

Imaam al-Awzaa'ee (d. 157H) - rahimahullaah - said: "Adhere to the narrations of the Salaf (the Prophet and sahaaba; tabi'een; and atba tabi'een), even if the people were to abandon you. And beware of the opinions of people, no matter how much they beautify it with speech."

Ibn Taymiyyah (d.728H) - rahimahullaah - said: "There is no criticism for the one who proclaims the way (madhdhab) of the Salaf, who attaches himself to it and refers to it. Rather, it is obligatory to accept that from him by unanimous agreement (Ittifaaq) because the way (madhdhab) of the Salaf is nothing but the Truth (Haqq)." [Majmoo al-Fataawaa 4:149]

Imaam al-Asbahaanee (d.535H) - rahimahullaah - said: "The sign of Ahlus-Sunnah is that they follow the Salafus-Saalih and abandon all that is innovated and newly introduced into the Deen." [Al-Hujjah fee Bayaanil Mahajjah 1/364

Ibn Taymiyyah said, "The Sunnah is connected to the Jama'ah, like Bid'ah is to splitting. So we say: Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jama'ah, and [we say concerning people of bid'ah] Ahlul-Bid'ah wal Firqa.

So it is clearly established that they the Salaf used to call themselves Salafi.

[Enlightened~Sista]

GK, The term salafiyaah came long after the death of the Salaf.

What was the name of their sect?

if the saved sect is the sect of the salaf, and the salaf didn't call themselves 'salafiyyah' then the salafiiyah can be systematically eliminated in the running for who is the saved sect.

Exactly..lol

I don't think they'll be able to wrap their heads around that though. Salafis are not the brightest crayons in the box.

[Nanees]

Grandpa, most of the sources you provide belay an incredible short sightedness in the understanding of Allahs' omniprescence and almighty power. Allah knows everything, that which has happened and that which has passed. Why then, do you believe that Allah ta'ala who has ordered us to submit and be Muslims would not have forseen that the title 'muslim' would be insufficient at some point in the future? If Allah has appointed the term Muslim for me, than that is what I am. No more no less, for all my days through any situation.

We have been given an amazing guide to pleasing our lord in the quran and the hadith. Interpretation of these is necessary and that is what we turn to the culeeyma for. But many of them grossly overstep the responsibilities of their station by creating their own opinions rather than simply interpreting that which we are given.

[grandpakhalif]

Why would the Salaf called themsevles "Salafiyyah" that's retarded since there was no suufis, khaarijis, shias, qutubis and all these deviant sects. They were all upon xaqq, SMH. Sh Albani explains it so if you claim to be more knowledgeable than him then go ahead and follow your stinking way.

[TheblueNwhite]

people still giving this kid the attention he craves for? mar horaan ka samray, igaarka ducoo u baahanyahay

[Alphanumeric]

I bring a bag of pebbles to count with.

[Rainbows]

I bring a bag of pebbles to count with.

I use water.

[Alphanumeric]

I bring a bag of pebbles to count with.

I use water.

Sounds strange and challenging. I'm game.

[Rainbows]

I will seriously try it now.

[gurey25]

Granpa your shiekh of shiekhs Ibn Taymiyyah was a sufi..
surprising isnt it, because of his attacks on all the crazy sufi practices, but he was a sufi of the qadiriya order.

Al ghazzali was a sufi..

sufis are not just those who have some freaky rituals , these are remnants of the great tradition.
Sufism is more.