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Guhad,


This concocted none sense of Ogadeen fighting for liberation is a very weird fabrication. There's a reason why Mohamed Abdulle Hassan overlooked his own Ogadeen clan in his fight against the British & other Somali clans. Your historically very weak intelligence acumen is matched only by your chronic uselessness.

Abgaal was the very first Somali clan to attack & kill European colonizers at Warshiekh. There's a litany of historical archives depicting my clan's wars against colonialism from Warshiekh incident to the battles in the Mareeg Region, not to mention the famous Lafole Massacre of 1896 in which my clan successfully killed Antonio Cecchi the Italian leader of East Africa forcing the Italians to seriously consider the prospects of leaving Somalia for good. Not to mention the 4 Mudulood members that were part of the 13 Founding members of the SYL- the group that's mostly credited for Somali independence. It's funny you mention Dhagaxtuur because it is built in honor of Mogadishu citizens (mostly Abgaal) that were killed by the colonialist forces during their rally in support of the SYL & Somali independence. When Somalis sat to choose s national capital they chose Mogadishu- an Abgaal city. Furthermore, when Somalia finally did gain its independence, guess who was chosen as the first president & it's Father of the Nation- a Mudulood man. When Somalia decided to form its military forces guess who was given the task to form an standing military from scratch & awarded the father of the Somali Military? Of course, another Mudulood man Gen Daud Abdulle Hirsi. The facts are clear. We are nation-builders & you are a mere slave! You can't deny that. 

Quit lying. You never had any significant role in Somali discourse. In fact, you are at the very bottom of the Somali Food Chain. Even Rahanwein has bigger political clout than your so-called "biggest Somali clan." Your entire socio-political contribution to Somalia is one man that died a lonely & depressing death in Ethiopia & whose people still live in bondage today as they did when he was alive. That's the entire supplement to Somali discourse your clan can whisper about. Supposedly, let's say that Abgaal were spies & your slave clan was fierce fighters, doesn't the fact that Abgaal had much more pronounced political significance then & now viz a viz your clan show an absolute failure? 

Wars of freedom are motivated by popular consensus that is sustained & directed towards a real objective. Your clan is & has always been too frail & divided to present a united voice on any issue of substance. When you say "my clan is fighting for freedom in Ethiopia, Kenya & Somalia," you know at a gut-level that this is not true. In Ethiopia, a Pro-TPLF Ogadeen is fighting a Pro-ONLF Ogadeen, same thing in Kenya, in Somalia a Pro-Al Shabab Ogadeen is fighting against a pro-Ras Kamboni Ogadeen. Those are the wars your clan wants to paint as national liberation wars. There's not a single inch of earth in East Africa that an Ogadeen man can raise his head & walk proudly. Not a single inch. You have never been a threat to anyone but yourselves & when push comes to shove a family of four can dissect & utterly overwhelm your pathetic grouping of abject failures. Your a commodity that is hunted down in both Somaliland & Puntland and sold for money. That's your stature. When I see an Ogadeen speak about politics or real issues of substance like a free man, I can't help but shake my head in disbelieve. You are one huge tragic joke.

You can write Azania all you want. Everyone knows its a dead project that will never see the light of day. Lol@ Azania appointed district commissioners. I don't know what world you live in, but to appoint a District Commissioner, you first have to actually rule a land. Azania is a Nairobi hotel based administration that is a grown man's version of a school-girl fantasy. Sharif came down hard & strong against it. It was rejected & killed right on its fetus. I don't think anyone is going to lose sleep over it.

The so-called Shabelle Valley Administration will also be sorted out. As we speak, it's so-called leader is under house arrest & real & mature political consultations led by TFG appointed MPs, clan elders & public intellectuals from the Hiiraan State are converging in Baladweyn to create a regional administration. We set the agenda, the others follow. Unfortunately for your clan, you are not even in anyone's radar when it comes to political stakes. You simply don't matter!

& the stupid idea of a powerless Ogadeen kikuyu slave replacing the official ambassador & representative of a sovereign country. Seriously, everytime you take a try at politics you give a whole new meaning to these popular stereotypes about the dull & idiotic Ogadeen. It's not helping your attempt to be taken serious! And by the way, your understanding of geography is as moronic as your clan's standing among the Somali people. Only Northeast Somalia was known as Majerteenia. You should pick up a history book sometime. Hehehe@ Ogadeen appointing Sh Sharif. Is that why he kicked Ghandi all the way to Nairobi & why from a position of a wanted terrorist he was not only able to be welcomed in Kenya by the Americans but within couple years crowned as the President of Somalia? Seriously, Sh Sharif must be the most clever, cunning & calculating person in the world. Meanwhile, Ghandi is sipping tea in Nairobi & doing fadhi kudurir for living. Thanks for proving my point. You come from a clan of imbeciles!

And about deportation, well to deport someone ( & especially from a country where you yourself are a second-class) you have to have a political clout & social significance. In the 1990s, Abgaal came to Nairobi & especially Eastleigh & bought majority of the Ogadeen lands & turned it into Kenyan's most important commercial center which generates hundreds of millions USD a day. Today, Ogadeen women & children beg on the streets & your young men deliver tea to Abgaal business owners in Eastleigh. Is that your interpretation of "deporting" someone. It's funny you accused Abgaal of being "spies" for the Italians. Your clan is most well known for its snitching against hardworking Somalis & even fellow Ogadeen in Kenya. That's your whole fame in Kenya. Forget about being "Defense Minister" for Kenya & Ethiopia. The Kenyan Military is bombing civilian settlements inhabited by your clan while pillaging & destroying Ogadeen forces that are fighting on behalf of Shabab. In Ethiopia, Ogadeen fighters for the TPLF are wrecking havoc & destructions to the dismay & horror of the International Human Rights observers against Ogadeen villages and settlements. This is what your pathetic & worthless mindset wants to interpret as some sort of bureaucratic advancement for your people. It's not & smart people are able to see the deep-rooted historical humiliation & nothingness of your clan that it will celebrate members of its clan that carry out brutal suppression of their own clansmen under the orders of the countries that oppress them in the first place. 

You give failure a whole new meaning.

udun wrote:

RovingMadness wrote:Yea, it was business & pleasure trip. Had to do certain chores back home. It was amazing!

Man, you guys need to do some cleaning. This riix-riix is getting boring. Crush them & expand the buffer-zone.

How is that gonna happen? Thru your arse?

May be you should worry abou Bal'ad and Jowhar under the control of Godane, Abu Mansoor, and Shangole. Some people have misplaced priorities!

Hey! Don't worry, I root for the weak guy!

Roving Madness - what point are you trying to make with your lengthy discourses?

Ogaadeen iyo abgaal maxaa isku keenay? Where is this animosity coming from?

Cuqdada iska yareey sxb.

Avicenna wrote:Roving Madness - what point are you trying to make with your lengthy discourses?

Ogaadeen iyo abgaal maxaa isku keenay? Where is this animosity coming from?

Cuqdada iska yareey sxb.

Huh? Believe me, I am the last one to have animosity against Ogadeen. If anything I sympathize with their situation. Go back to the first page on this thread; guhad from no-where made an unprovoked attack on Abgaal when the discussion was not even about clan & he got handled. You should direct your attack towards him. I am just refuting his none sense.

Unbelievable!
From beach thread to clanbashing all thanks to big foot.
What is he proving? Is this a act to be loved by punanese or ilkoyar? They wont like you cuz according to them u have lower iq than a 5 years old zebra.
So billaahi caleyk lets turn to the thread.

Cagdheers amaze me sometimes. They should stop messing with us, and focus on their real enemies: ethiopia, puntland and ilkoyar.

RM - I saw Guhad's reply and don't agree with it, it doesn't mean you should follow suit either sxb.

This whole tit-for-tat business reminds me of middle school. Abgaal is abgaal & Ogaadeen is Ogaadeen, no amount of back & forth is going to change anyone's mind.

This was a good thread and I enjoyed the video. Let's keep it constructive.


Have you been to Shiirkole/black sea area since you returned? What are the liveliest places in the city? Did you visit your family's farms, yet?

Avicenna,

Yes, I have been to Black Sea, Baar Ayaan area, & Bakaaraha. It's very busy & a lot of commercial activity is going there. I would say, that the only place in Mogadishu that was not crowded or had any normalcy in terms of the population moving back was Xamar-Jadiid & Ifka iyo Akhiro. The only people I saw at Ifka iyo Akhiro were TFG Troops, Xamar Jadiid had few residents here & there but it was not fully populated. The rest of the city especially Wadajir, KM Area, Waabari, Xamarwein, Shangaani & Suuq Bacaad are very crowded & because of the traffic jams, in all those areas we sometimes used to drive thru the neighborhoods to avoaid the road. I think it's fair to say that 80% of the city is populated heavily now & I suspect in the coming weeks & months more people will move back to the city.

I personally didn't go to the family farm because it was not safe for me to go there. Maybe, later this summer I will be able to.

That's great to hear, man. We used to live in casa populaire near Shiirkole officiale, good to hear the old neighborhood is alive again. I'm assuming Boondheere & Shibis, Waaberi & Howlwadaag (Bermuda) are all populated again? I didn't expect Shingaani & Xamarweyne to be so busy, so soon. That's incredible. What airport did you go through? Is Cisaleey still operating? Djibouti route or Kenya? I'll be there in June, inshallah.

Avicenna wrote:That's great to hear, man. We used to live in casa populaire near Shiirkole officiale, good to hear the old neighborhood is alive again. I'm assuming Boondheere & Shibis, Waaberi & Howlwadaag (Bermuda) are all populated again? I didn't expect Shingaani & Xamarweyne to be so busy, so soon. That's incredible. What airport did you go through? Is Cisaleey still operating? Djibouti route or Kenya? I'll be there in June, inshallah.

They are. Waabari has escaped the war throughout the past 2 years & areas like Via Liberia are very crowded & active in terms of commerce. Xamarwein too. It's ver crowded & because of the narrow streets, it's heck of a job getting from point A to point B. to make it worse, people park the cars on both sides of the street. I actually randomly met Ciyaal-Warta at a barbershop in Xamarwein & we had a good conversation there. The city is regaining its old edge & the youth are at the fore-front of its positive transformation.

I went from Nairobi striaght to Mogadishu's Aden Cade International . Coming from Nairobi to Xamar, I actually missed my 7am flight Twice ( even tho I was at the airport at 4am)because the plane was filled to capacity & got lucky on the third flight. The volume of people making it back to Mogadishu is breathtaking.

In terms of entertainment, there are many awesome bars & restaurants that offer world-class service. There are house parties & the beach is crowded on Fridays. Kids from all over Mogadishu converge to play beach games like soccer, volleyball, & even motorbike racing. It's amazing!

That's really wonderful! I'm glad to know that the people finally have some sort of stability & normalcy. And the city is coming back to live. Tarzan has had a major role in it, hope it continues on. While many people see Xamar as a Hawiye city, I see it as Somalia's capital & a city we should all cheer for, since it's where most of us were either born or trace our roots to before the war. Xamar's success is a Somali success. Once it's restored, the rest of the country will follow suit.

Thanks for the update. Enjoy your stay and hopefully I'll catch you there, inshallah.

Be safe.

PrinceDaadi wrote:common guys, let us be mature, qabiil is qashin and it means nothing, we r all individuals.

guhad122 wrote:Look who is talking about slavery and colonialism!! When all Somalis came together to acquire their independence from the Italian colony in late 1950s , Abgaal Cismaan was the only Somali clan that objected to the idea of free Somalia. It is a well-known fact and as a matter fact, when Italians left thousands of Abgaals left with them to Italy. That is the main reason why the biggest Somali community in Italy is Abgaal. There are so many Abgaal women who are married to Italians that one has to wonder if there were intermarriage relationship between the two Reer Cismaan clans. In the traditional folklore dance of Abgaal called Shirib, you would often hear “Abgaal Sagaal waaye midsa isbitoore waaye”; the isbitoore is in reference to the sergeant Italian officers. Back then Italians were known as Italiano Cismaan, the younger brother of Abgaal Cismaan. When there is a ton of information around the globe about the struggle and the bravery of Ogaden Somalis in Jubbland, have you ever seen or heard a freedom struggle of any sort by Abgaal for Somalia freedom. None. Zero. Look up the list of Somali heroes including Sayidka, Xaawo Taako, Axmed Gurey, Dhagax-Tuur and so on and check to see if there is any Abgaal. My grandfather once told us that during the freedom uprising of 1960s, other Somalis would gather in secret to avoid Abgaal spies for the colonial government. If I were you, I would bring up other positive characterization Abgaal is labeled such as being known as good neighbors but not anything else.

And please avoid mentioning Azania because that has no bearing or relevance to Afbiijo presidency. It is an administration by the locals of Jubaland for the natives of Jubaland. I know it doesn’t pertain to you but so far every single city that has been liberated has an Azania appointed district commissioner. I am not even sure why you have to worry about Azania. If I were you I would worry about the departure of Ugandans and Brundi troops and the TPS report (remember Office Space movie) for his Excellency Prime Minister Melez.

Oh yeah what about them Ethiopians? Did you just mention them? The so-called Afbiijo's Hiiran administration was put in jail by a Liyuu Police OG sergeant; take that and tell me you’re free at last.

So if you were appointing positions to Majerten, how come the entire central Somalia was called Majertenia? Why did you allow that? Did they convince you that “Inta madax madow iyo Majeerteen baa siman”. Afbiijo was awarded the presidency by Ogaaden whether it was Gaandhi, Dhaqane and everyone else who saved his Dameer azz in the jungles of Jubbaland. You can’t compare the biggest clan in the Horn with Donkey-riding clan mainly found in Aadan Yabaal. There was a time when the three defense ministers of Ethiopia, Kenya and Somalia met, and all of them belonged to single clan.

Like they did in 1980s, the OGs in Kenya can deport every single Abgaal in Kenya and you know that they are capable of doing that. As a matter of fact, about a month ago the so-called Somali ambassador to Kenya made a comment that Defense Minister Yusuf Xaaji didn’t like. He almost got kicked out of Kenya and had to beg other OG high-ranking officials for mercy. And who did you say was the president of Somalia; come again because the President of Somalia is his Excellent Prime Minister Meles. At least I am fighting him regardless of my strength, but you are a very good servant for him!!!

Today the Italian officers are replaced by Ugandese officers..
now back to topic.. Mugdisho is nothing but a shit hole full of aids and moryaans..we should build walls around the shit hole then burn it down, so the various unknown deseases brought in by the bantus and their hutu wifes don't reach other parts of Somalia.

Avicenna wrote:RM - I saw Guhad's reply and don't agree with it, it doesn't mean you should follow suit either sxb.

This whole tit-for-tat business reminds me of middle school. Abgaal is abgaal & Ogaadeen is Ogaadeen, no amount of back & forth is going to change anyone's mind.

This was a good thread and I enjoyed the video. Let's keep it constructive.


Have you been to Shiirkole/black sea area since you returned? What are the liveliest places in the city? Did you visit your family's farms, yet?

Logic is a wonderful thing..

The peace in Xamar is fragile at best. The TFG has no capacity to provide security nor governance. We have a President, Speaker, Parliament that are more interested in fighting in each than AS. If it was not for AMISOM, the political infight in AS and the severe famine, the AS would have still been chilling 600 meters from Villa SOmaliya's walls.



Warya Guhaad,

Whats good ina adeer ? Is there a private OG room ? I need some info on Dhobley, Badadhe, and Jubboyinka for some potential projects.

As I pointed out in my previous post, it is always good idea to avoid things that don’t make any equanimity because in doing so, you are principally showing your inadequacy on the issues. Ogaden and the Somali struggle for freedom and liberty are synonymous whether it is the great dervishes or the courageous Jubaland natives or the unyielding and brave ONLF freedom fighters, or the shifta in Northern Frontier District. I can bring up so many links and documented details, but there is not enough space for that in SomaliNet thread. I will put few links in end of the thread for you so that you can take a peek at them during your water-fetching intervals!

In attempting to compare the warrior clan of Somalia to the water-fetching and donkey-riding subhuman clan is outrageous and treasonous at minimum. You claimed that Warsheik was attacked by Abgal freedom fighters, where is that history? Do you have any links? Perhaps you should call your Italiano relatives and check to see if they have any translated documentaries on the aforementioned Warsheik. As for the composition of SYL, they consisted all Somali clans and while their efforts were good at the beginning, the subsequent administrations who were mostly composed of SYL members were corrupt and inept to lead Somalia. According to my Harti cousins, Mudolood had a tail for them that read “Property of the Great State Majertenia” during the independence period and the period following the SYL election victories. Perhaps, you can check if the four so-called Mudulood SYL members had any tails!

As for Dhagaxtuur being emblem of Mudolood uprising for liberty and freedom, you have to try another ploy to deploy Saaxiib because that argument is not going to take off. Abgaal, at the time, were non-existent in the struggle to acquire full freedom from the UN-approved Italian administration. As a matter of fact, as I said in my previous post, most Abgaal intellectuals wanted Somalia to remain under Italian protectorate. The people who fight the Italians were mostly from Mudug and Jubooyinka. It is a well-known and documented fact that Mudolood and Raxanweyn people never participated any struggle to liberate Somalia. When the Ethiopians were shelling Muqdisho killing innocent and defenceless people, your likes were the biggest supporters of the Ethiopian occupation. Soonbe and Sh. Cali Jimcaale were both recorded on their objections to the independence. Soobe being the most famous Raxanweyn, and Jimcaale being one of the Mudulood notables.

In the contemporary Somali history and affairs, do you remember Maxamed Dheere’s famous mantra to Mudolood “Muga biyaha iyo caanaha in laga dabo wado waaye Itoobyinka”. Does Muuse Suudi Yalaxo ring a bell about the art of puppetry? How about Geedi Fanax who famously cried in the ceremony to raise the Ethiopian flag? Remember this famous picture; it was reported that Geedi was in tears:


How about this one where Hon. Zenawi is telling Af-Dameer how to sit properly and not to panic:





Remember Salaad Cali Jeelle; Salaad Dibi who famously said that firing indiscriminate artilleries in Howlwadaag and Hodan by the Ethiopians was a justifiable action because “HabarGedir aa qaxee. Muga in laqaxiyo waaye”. How about Cali Naafto? The man who singlehandedly contracted out the Somali waters to become the waste dumping grounds of the world.

You have to be ashamed of yourself that people like these are your leaders and politicians. Shariif came to power because he seemed a decent man at the time and was chosen by all Somalis but “Dameer waxba lama bari karo.

In contrast to the Abgaal contemporary history, I remember an article on Hiiraan after the Ethiopians left Muqdisho that said thousands of ONLF fighters were spotted in Buula-Barde following the retreating Ethiopians. If anyone can find that Somali news article please post the link. Basically the entire city was stunned by sheer size of these fighters and their weapons. They freed you from the Ethiopians and remember few years back, Xawaadle slaughtered innocent Ogaden refugees in that same area. When I tell you that OGs fight the bigger fight for Somalis, this is one of the case in points.

And speaking of Kenya and Somali Kenyans, the most educated and financially established Somali people all over the world live in Kenya today and it is because of our brethrens in NFD. Even though Somalis make up less than 7% of the entire Kenyan population, yet they hold so many higher positions in the government. There are more Somali businesses and properties in East Leigh than the entire Somalia. Thanks to the political supremacy of the OGs in Kenyan government, Somalis enjoy freedom in Kenya. That is the main reason why you stayed in Kenya on your way to the banshee town called Muqdisho. The fact remains Saaxiib, you are a guest for OG Kenyans when in Kenya and if I were you, I would conduct myself like a guest. The most famous Mudolood-related who owned anything in Kenya was Qanyare and I am not going into detail to the famous expulsions of the undesirables and untouchables from Kenya in the 1980s, as I am sure you remember. The good loving OGs don’t want to duplicate incidents like those.

In parsimoniously attempting to rebuff the notion that OGs are the most powerful clan in the Horn, you mentioned that we are traded as commodities in Puntland and Somaliland. That is true, but what you failed to understand is that the little freedom both of these Ethiopian enclaves enjoy is due to the always thirst, hungry with dreadlocks ONLF gunners whose purpose in life is to free the land of Somalis from the Wayane. Only weak-minded people like you fall for the contemptible propagandas. Regardless ONLF will continue its struggle and in the meantime, Puntaland and Somaliland would feed on the dedications of these brave youngsters.


Just past week, an Eritrean asked me why Puntalnd and Somaliland are not supporting the ONLF struggle? I told him that the people of these regions have many nationalists but it is the administrations that are puppets for Melez. To my astonishment, he said that if it were not the gallantry of the ONLF, Ethiopian capital city would have been Hargeisa and the business capital would have been transferred to Bosaso. Even the foreigners know that the only thing the Somalis can be proud of today is the legitimate ONLF struggle to free Ogadenia. For your information, the Karinle in Ogadenia are big time ONLF supporters!!!!

When the Melez representative in Muqdisho came to attend the so-called African Union gathering in Addis past week, an OG federal minister was sent to receive him. Don’t worry next time Shariif Dameer comes to Addis, ina-Ileey would be readied to welcome him; the only problem would be Ina-Iley wouldn’t understand a word the Xaayow says because he was born and bred in Dhagaxbuur.



In regards to the Azania question, as I have said many times, you don’t need to lose sleep over it because the Azanian forces would stop at Barave which is the state line between Jubaland and Sh/Hoose. There is nothing for us in the war scared city you call the capital. Buaale will be my capital city and the business capital will be Kismaayo.

Here are some links and highlighsts of the bravery of the Ogaden people and their contributions to the freedom of Somalia. Bring some facts or go back and fetch me some water!






http://members.dca.net/fbl/singhbutta.html

Look at this quote in reference to the Ogadens in Jubaland: These people wander through the interior of Jubaland in endless search of water and pasture for their stock. Wild and warlike at heart, the true Somali finds peace only in strife, and freedom only in a restless life”
http://www.archive.org/stream/throughju ... c_djvu.txt
http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/northeast ... mpson.html