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grandpakhalif wrote:

Based wrote:The Islamic world was once the pinnacle of civilization, world renowned for its relative progressivism and prolific scientific output.

I'm not sure what happened along the way, but these last few centuries have truly been our Dark Ages. With this type of thinking, we can look forward to another millennia or so of Western domination while some of us are still arguing for a geocentric model. While we were busy debating the merits of the various madhabs and obscure hadiths, the West underwent the Industrial revolution, colonized most of the known world, developed weapons of mass destruction while we were using spears &swords, and are now debating on how best to colonize the f-king moon.

It's apparent that our degeneracy is a direct consequence of the abandonment of science, and not religion. We've become accessories to our own rape

Who cares Allah will give us jannah. Those illustrious cities won't save them from the fire.

Science = weapons = sustained domination for centuries= Islam wiped off the face of the earth.

Your children's children's children will most likely be atheists who speak English and consider themselves Canadians, the Muslim world will be absolutely buttfucked after the oil runs out, and your country will most likely become an open air landfill after it is stripped of all resources

Alpha,

Union,

it wont take that many generations.

and was the avatar jab too much?

That's the difference between you and me, I have faith in Allah who said "wal caqibatuul lil muttaqeen" Allah also promised to make this Ummah established rulers of this Earth. Many promises about the victory of Allah are in hadiths.


I rely on my Lord for victory, and never does he fail in his promise.

Alpha, I'm an admirer of pre-Poland Hitler

Grandpa, does Allah want us to become a weak and ignorant Ummah unable to defend itself from the forces of Kufr because we abandoned the pursuit of knowledge? Are we not obligated to seek all knowledge, in order to spread Islam and defend the faith of Allah? How will we do that if we bury our heads in the sand and deny the physical laws of science Allah himself created and whose evidence is clear to those who seek to understand the nature of the universe?

"...Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves..."-Quran, 13:11

Like I said before, Islamic power was at its height when we were dedicated to scientific inquiry. The moment we faltered, we were overtaken and dominated, relegated to colonies and vassals . You wish to perpetuate this domination, I wish to end it.

Which one of us is truly fighting for Allah's cause?

We have satelites that orbit the earth, that show that the earth orbits the sun. This guy is trynna take us back over 10,000 years. This is beyond jahilliya

Islam was at its height because it was Allah's will, now it is not because we are weak muslims like the likes of union and others who hate 'wahabism'.

we're at our weakests, cause Arabs are the head honcho's, and they're useless.

Shirib wrote:We have satelites that orbit the earth, that show that the earth orbits the sun. This guy is trynna take us back over 10,000 years. This is beyond jahilliya

You're not any less jahil then him, mr "i believe we were created from clay....literally"

Shirib wrote:We have satelites that orbit the earth, that show that the earth orbits the sun. This guy is trynna take us back over 10,000 years. This is beyond jahilliya

how do you know those images weren't tampered? I dont believe in satellites or even moon landing. This is all lies, all fabricated.


Research: Moon Landing Hoax.

grandpakhalif wrote:

Shirib wrote:We have satelites that orbit the earth, that show that the earth orbits the sun. This guy is trynna take us back over 10,000 years. This is beyond jahilliya

how do you know those images weren't tampered? I dont believe in satellites or even moon landing. This is all lies, all fabricated.


Research: Moon Landing Hoax.

union wrote:

Shirib wrote:We have satelites that orbit the earth, that show that the earth orbits the sun. This guy is trynna take us back over 10,000 years. This is beyond jahilliya

You're not any less jahil then him, mr "i believe we were created from clay....literally"

We were made from clay, jinns were made of fire, and angels of light.

grandpakhalif wrote:

Shirib wrote:We have satelites that orbit the earth, that show that the earth orbits the sun. This guy is trynna take us back over 10,000 years. This is beyond jahilliya

how do you know those images weren't tampered? I dont believe in satellites or even moon landing. This is all lies, all fabricated.


Research: Moon Landing Hoax.

u don't believe in satelites? How do u not believe in something that pretty much gives all our technological capabilities. Your cell phone, tv, internet, gps, what do you think these things run off of?

Alphanumeric wrote:

grandpakhalif wrote:

Shirib wrote:We have satelites that orbit the earth, that show that the earth orbits the sun. This guy is trynna take us back over 10,000 years. This is beyond jahilliya

how do you know those images weren't tampered? I dont believe in satellites or even moon landing. This is all lies, all fabricated.


Research: Moon Landing Hoax.

Shirib wrote:

union wrote:

Shirib wrote:We have satelites that orbit the earth, that show that the earth orbits the sun. This guy is trynna take us back over 10,000 years. This is beyond jahilliya

You're not any less jahil then him, mr "i believe we were created from clay....literally"

We were made from clay, jinns were made of fire, and angels of light.

Are we talking about the same thing here? Or is clay a metaphor for something else?

My understanding of clay:



Is that what you mean or something different?

Satellite what is a satellite:

Satellites fly high in the sky, so they can see large areas of Earth at one time. Satellites also have a clear view of space. That's because they fly above Earth's clouds and air.

It goes up into Earth and takes pictures and receives and sends signals? What does that have to do with sun