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Re: Freed Slave Writes A Letter Back To His Former Master

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Adali your the one who is wrong, obviously you don't understand tongue-cheek that this freed slave is using. He is responding to his old master (the one who at his whim could kill him and already as attempted on his life) as an equal. How do you think the old master is going to react, to see your ex property talking to you not only as an equal but telling you how much better he is now with the people who defeated them, the north.
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Re: Freed Slave Writes A Letter Back To His Former Master

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Absolutely a wonderful read...I think what some are missing is noticing the wisdom and intellect of this man irrespective of whether he was literate or not.
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PO & Adali (which i must confess it is the same person, but i dont want to get into that) :roll:

True---if in FACT, the letter was dictated and not written by the slave-- then i was wrong to assume the master was kind to his slave. The original post in the beginning-- DID NOT-- specificify that it was in fact dictated. The letter is written in the first person tone-- and the fact that the beginner of this thread, did not 'take care' to disclose it was dictated made my assumption-- naturally,reasonable.

Now, let me get to the next point. The point where the slave still had a 'brotherly' relationship with his master STILL STANDS. My point is-- if u hate someone or if u are writing to an enemy or even an ex enemy-- You DO NOT talk about your family to them. The inferrence is---if the enemy doesnt care about u-- wants to shoot u, rather than see u leave them-- what makes them care about the 'update' of his 'beautiful children'-- 'Milly, Grundy and "whatever their other names is"? The fact that the slave--first, takes the time to write, then update his family-- to his ex master-- at least shows the slave person wants more to do with the master or that there is some resonance or residue of caring that is the impertus to the letter writing in the first place. As you all know-- the letter WAS NOT hostile or extremely 'blamish.' So, one may ask--what was the point of the letter in the first place? Yes, one may argue-- the slave wanted to counter-argue or refuse the master an offering of re'eslavement' but i think the letter was more deeper than that. (in fact, u can argue also, there is a bonding from the master to his slave for asking his slave back, a bonding deeper on human level rather than capitalism) BUT....we may beg to agree to disagree, NO Constitutional law broken as far as i am concerned. :D :up:

I still STAND by my deductions that--- this is a tragic event -nevertheless. A sad, slave adoon-- deeply wounded by the wrong of his Nazi former master, but since the slave is a better humanbeing and a better person at least to me-- the slave is willing to forget and forgive. The repitition of the shooting even twice or trice in the letter shows me a wound- eching for a 'respectable appology' or healing from the master. A direct plea, however indirect or un-intelligent, still that is sad and tragic, not to mention heart wrenching for someone who has a heart.(i am not publicly disclosing i have a heart) A slave and a masters' relationship is very complicated. And yes, Adali, u are very correct to assert that we should NOT view their lives in the context of 'modern today'. ( which is more educated, humanly advanced, and with the benefit of hindsight) Adali, if you want me to look at them in the slave era context, then that is exactly what i am doing now. You have to take into account-- in those days-- the slave is in-debted to his master. His master is ALL he knows, his entire world. The master feeds the slaves,shelters them, takes care of his children and therefore is influenced by the master. I will liken-- the relationship with the stockholm syndrome-- which is a victim bonding with his or her kidnapper. During the kidnapping period, there is a bond that develops whether we like it or not. (not that i am confessing i was ever kidnapped or want to, i am talking as a psychologist here, 8-) not that the fantasy of being kidnapped and violated hasnt creeped on me in my subconsciousness la la day dreaming. Thats a long story.) This bond is humanistic--- as a human u develop feelings for them and eventually care for the well being of the offender. This slave man-- was basically being a human, updating his master of his familys progress or caring to dictate a letter in the first place. Not only does the slave bond with his master-- he is also --bonded with his masters neighbor. The last sentence in which he says --thank Carter for preventing u to shoot me. (although, thanking Carter is a primal motive of course, one would assume that, but definitely, the slave does not hold bad feelings towards the white slave owner, and neighbor- George Carter) U have to understand-- here -- he is saying --pass my thanks to him for saving you from shooting me as that would have been a sin worst than slavery. A murder. Someone who doesnt care for u will not care whether u go to hell or not, apparently the slave cares for his ex master. ( however, deeply screwed up the caring is lol) Slaves were deeply religious people--- which again-- thanks to his masters.(But this gift of religion is not credited to this particular Nazi master but to the general slave white slave masters. So i cant say the master is kind to his slave, i can say the institution of slavery was kind to their slaves in general.(otherwise, they would have been worshiping their african idols and dancing around naked. So in a way, YES< i am argue-ing slavery was a blessing in disguise.) Before i thought the master was one of those masters who were kind to their slaves and tought them how to read and write. I say, kind because generally slaves were legally prohibited to read and write, and for a master to rist that and educated his slaves shows a kind gesture. :up: ) I personally see it as still a brotherly relationship between them. They both needed each other-- One to save his soul from the pits of hell,--by bapticism into Christianity however unperfected the religion is, for i do believe ISLAM is the perfected religion,, and the other for capitalism purposes.(to work on their farm by utilizing their God given muscles and adoon stamina. It 'is' a symbiotic relationship sactioned by God. swt. :)
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Re: Freed Slave Writes A Letter Back To His Former Master

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Basra- wrote: They both needed each other-- One to save his soul from the pits of hell,--by bapticism into Christianity however unperfected the religion is, for i do believe ISLAM is the perfected religion,, and the other for capitalism purposes.(to work on their farm by utilizing their God given muscles and adoon stamina. It 'is' a symbiotic relationship sactioned by God. swt. :)
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Re: Freed Slave Writes A Letter Back To His Former Master

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Amethyst aka union ..... :o


I am pleasantly, surprised you find above comment amusing. :oops: :? :clap:
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I can't decide what's funnier, the round about written karbash the ex slave served his former master, Grant's first response, Sahan calling him out or Grant "reping his tol" :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Freed Slave Writes A Letter Back To His Former Master

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Basra@looooooooooooooooooooooool :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

:lol:


Can you write that in Somali though? Has anyone ever seen Basra writing in Somali horta? :|
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Re: Freed Slave Writes A Letter Back To His Former Master

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Twist@loool

Moi write in aaf somali?? I dont think so. :lol: :lol:

I am assuming you agree with my opinions. :clap:
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Re: Freed Slave Writes A Letter Back To His Former Master

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Basra- wrote:Amethyst aka union ..... :o


I am pleasantly, surprised you find above comment amusing. :oops: :? :clap:
Because were pleasantly, and suprisingly creative with ur 1000 word essay up there. lol.
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Re: Freed Slave Writes A Letter Back To His Former Master

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[ Amethyst@loooooooooooool


thanks for making me laugh. I gather u agree with my points. Any review u would like to offer other than highly creative? :lol: :lol:
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Basra- wrote:[ Amethyst@loooooooooooool



thanks for making me laugh. I gather u agree with my points. Any review u would like to offer other than highly creative? :lol: :lol:

Basra aka lion aka Advo (Which I also suspect is the admin, but I wont get into that now. :? ),

That bit about it being like the stockholm syndrome. Are u saying he was a House Negro? The author of this letter was anything but that.
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Re: Freed Slave Writes A Letter Back To His Former Master

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Amethyst @looooooool



Amethyst why did u dump the 'union' name? Personaly, i find that stimulating. :oops: :clap:


Yes, i do mean-- he was a house negro. :lol: He is basically missing or bonded with his captor. :clap:
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Re: Freed Slave Writes A Letter Back To His Former Master

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Basra- wrote:Amethyst @looooooool



Amethyst why did u dump the 'union' name? Personaly, i find that stimulating. :oops: :clap:
Stimulating? ewwww :? :lol:

Also, it's the superbowl weekend. Thought I'd relax a bit. I'll be Union again on Monday. :up:
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Re: Freed Slave Writes A Letter Back To His Former Master

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[quote="Amethyst"][quote="Basra-"]Amethyst @looooooool



Amethyst why did u dump the 'union' name? Personaly, i find that stimulating. :oops: :clap: [/quote]

Stimulating? ewwww :? :lol:

Also, it's the superbowl weekend. Thought I'd relax a bit. I'll be Union again on Monday. :up:[/quote]


Amethyst


So u do generally agree with my above opinion, right? Care to ask me any questions? Are my views out of this world? Or reasonably in the circumfrence of probability? :roll:
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Re: Freed Slave Writes A Letter Back To His Former Master

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[quote="Basra-"][quote="Amethyst"][quote="Basra-"]Amethyst @looooooool



Amethyst why did u dump the 'union' name? Personaly, i find that stimulating. :oops: :clap: [/quote]

Stimulating? ewwww :? :lol:

Also, it's the superbowl weekend. Thought I'd relax a bit. I'll be Union again on Monday. :up:[/quote]


Amethyst


So u do generally agree with my above opinion, right? Care to ask me any questions? Are my views out of this world? Or reasonably in the circumfrance of probability? :roll:[/quote]


No, I think we've bonded enough for one topic. :clap:

I dont agree with ur assement. If he really was a house negro, he'd been back with him already, instead of "dictating" this letter. Then again why he even bothered, might mean you have a tiiiiny point. lol.
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