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I'm suprised to say that union has better aqeedah than PO. If he ditched evolution and secularism we would have no qualms.

grandpakhalif wrote:I'm suprised to say that union has better aqeedah than PO. If he ditched evolution and secularism we would have no qualms.

interesting, care to explain?

Expounding on intricacies of the bible = better aqeedah?

btw, that was one of the more poignant verses in the Psalms, very relevant to our current situation

Looooooooooool. We used to sing this back in primary school. Every Tuesday we had singing assembley, this was one of the songs they made us sing. Lol, memories man...

Shirib wrote:

grandpakhalif wrote:I'm suprised to say that union has better aqeedah than PO. If he ditched evolution and secularism we would have no qualms.

interesting, care to explain?

He is more learned, and knows that Islam did not begin with the Prophet Muhammad. Indeed it began with the Milaatu-Ibraahim who believed in Tawxiid and spreaded it and other Prophets beforehand. Not as PO claims. Islam is a universal message of submission to the oneness of God and is not limited to our ummah as PO is asserting.

grandpakhalif wrote:

Shirib wrote:

grandpakhalif wrote:I'm suprised to say that union has better aqeedah than PO. If he ditched evolution and secularism we would have no qualms.

interesting, care to explain?

He is more learned, and knows that Islam did not begin with the Prophet Muhammad. Indeed it began with the Milaatu-Ibraahim who believed in Tawxiid and spreaded it and other Prophets beforehand. Not as PO claims. Islam is a universal message of submission to the oneness of God and is not limited to our ummah as PO is asserting.

PO said that Islam is an Abrahamic religion. Where did u get the assertion that he thinks it just started with Nabi Muhammad saw?

Union confound thy self! Words like "if [islam or nabi muhammad sxw] had more original thought" or "borrows heavily from jewish ideas and traditions", and then implying Nabi Muhammad scw stole from the jews to the point where jews find it more acceptable then a jewish led religious movement christianity. You have borrowed these words from a non muslim sxb, and your unoriginal and borrow heavily from others ideas and traditions. Islam and Judaism share what is called ultra-montheism as if there is anything but.

PO, what are you acting indignant about? Do you wish to argue that Islam has barrowed nothing from Judaism save its fierce monotheism? If so, then you are a fool. The similarities between Islam and Judaism run much deeper than that! The Prophet Muhammad was not sent by God to bring a new message, my friend, the Prophet Muhammad was sent to lead the people back to the devotion and reverence of the one God that was preached by the Jewish prophets Abraham and Moses before him, and to debase and denounce the falsehood which had been borne out of ignorance.

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I recently had an arguement with a religious wadaad. My arguement was P.Moh'd pbuh brought Islam, and P. Issa brought Christianity and P. Musa pbuh brought the religion of Judaism. And that he should stop calling them kufaar and at the same time he was argueing that Jews and Christians were the first muslims.(no, the first muslims are followers of P.Mohd pbhu) I was like --something gotta give here. U r calling them kufaar and also saying they were early muslims who rejected P.Mohd pbuh, which is correct--they rejected the last revealation, which is Islam, or Quran, but how are they former muslims? My contention was-- Islam and Muslimniiomo began with P.Moh'd pbuh, and he says-- Hell NO.

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Perfect_Order wrote:

union wrote:PO, the purpose of my post was not to "show of"---though I am the foremost biblical expert of this forum---but to shed light on the Jewish background of this cultural reference which I feel had not been getting enough attention. A lot of the stories in the bible/quran have their roots in the stories of the Jewish people, yet both the daughter religions despise the mother monotheistic faith in the most vicious and vile way. Can you tell me why oh so knowledgeable PO?

Saxib Islam is a branch from the Abrahamic Religion, which means they are actually sisters and at the same level in hierarchy as Judaism, while you can argue that christanity is a daughter of Judaism. Islam was not founded by Jews, nor does its scripture have within it in totality the jewish scripture.

I think there is a lot of sense in what PO means, though i may not agree with what he says. Islam and Judaism have similarities such as the observance of rituals, works over faith, circumcision on the 8th day, clean/vs unclean foods, and uncertainity concerning the afterlife, etc.

But although Islam may be practiced in it's purest form, Judaism cannot. Generally Without the Temple, and specifically Ark of The Covenant, t is impossible to sacrifice unto God; and without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins (Heb 9:22.) In fact, the proper name of God YHWH, cannot be pronounced by a Jew because the name should only be pronounced in the temple by a priest. That's why you'll see that in Jewish writings, God is written as G-d. But in conversation, many would rather say "The Name." This means that ever since the Temple was destroyed and the Jewish tribe of Levi became scattered, the sins of someone practicing Judaism Have NEVER been forgiven .

In Christianity, Judaism is not a religion, but a forerunner of Christianity. It should have ended with the Crucifixion of Christ. For this reason, a Christian should be able to understand the Jewish faith. Although the Bible & the Qur'an have some similarities in narrative, one will not see how the teachings of the Qur'an can apply to his faith.

union wrote:PO, what are you acting indignant about? Do you wish to argue that Islam has barrowed nothing from Judaism save its fierce monotheism? If so, then you are a fool. The similarities between Islam and Judaism run much deeper than that! The Prophet Muhammad was not sent by God to bring a new message, my friend, the Prophet Muhammad was sent to lead the people back to the devotion and reverence of the one God that was preached by the Jewish prophets Abraham and Moses before him, and to debase and denounce the falsehood which had been borne out of ignorance.

How quick you change your shirts. I am indignant, and rightfully so, when you come with such remarks as "heavily from Jewish ideas and tradition...[Islam] could be considered "same level in hierarchy" if it had more original thought, ". My friend truth only comes from one source, if it is the same source that brings the truth over and over again, it is not "borrowing" nor "[un]original", because you can't borrow from oneself and repeating the truths is being true to the original. The source of all truth is from Allah swt, and He is the one who revealed the truth to the Jews before the Arabs, and it does not make them superior to the latter. As you have correctly pointed out, Prophet Muhammad pbuh (and kindly send your peace upon him when you mention his name) only came to steer what was wrong and corrupt in the former revealed religions to what was true and from the divine.

But when you speak in such tones, it only echoes the words of non muslims attacking Islam and Prophet Muhammad scw as copy-cats for the sole purpose of discrediting him scw and what he scw came with.

It’s interesting how the mere incidence of giving credit to the Jews for their contributions elicits such outrage and indignation from the more zealous adherents of its younger abrahamic cousins. Sxb, bitching at me doesn’t change the fact that many of the teachings in Christianity and Islam were first revealed to (or written by in objective history) JEWS. This is the truth and remains the truth even if you wish to deny it. If it is any consolation, the Jews got some of their ideas from the Greeks.

nacalaa jews iyo christians ku yaal


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union wrote:It’s interesting how the mere incidence of giving credit to the Jews for their contributions elicits such outrage and indignation from the more zealous adherents of its younger abrahamic cousins. Sxb, bitching at me doesn’t change the fact that many of the teachings in Christianity and Islam were first revealed to (or written by in objective history) JEWS. This is the truth and remains the truth even if you wish to deny it. If it is any consolation, the Jews got some of their ideas from the Greeks.

You have been mentally raped by western civilization to the point you believe their myths sxb

You proclaim objectivity, though I doubt you understand the real meaning of it. Objective- not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion. The Fact is Allah is the source of all truth, and He revealed the complete revelation to Prophet Muhammad scw, end of fact.