Working in the Gulf Arab Countries

[udun]

^plus 10 days off for EID!

Walaashay Enlightened Sista, are you basically saying it is a good place to work if you get the job?

Yep, I would go if I got a job there.

Gotcha. Thanks

[Arabmann]

You can live in these gulf countries for 30 years and they would still not give you citizenship.

No true. There are thousands upon thousands of Somalis who hold the citizenship of every gulf country. hyperactive can confirm that.

[Samatr]

hypocrite!

how am I a hypocrite, I have nothing against our melanin deficient counterparts.
I know you ain't talking look at your avatar.

[MidriGeez]

Salary could be slightly Higher than where you are But living expensive is not Cheap either, I got offered a job in Emirate for 100k + accomdation + car and 2 free plane ticket a year and turned it down. It wasn't worth it for me away from my family and friend for almost the same pay. Plus i would spend much more in there so i would save less. I have been to Dubai 6 times and people need to understand that Time flies Quickly there and if you don't have an aim and stick with it (Like saving up etc) then you would feel like you wasted your time. If you are looking for an adventure and Holiday work for a year and two possibly save abit on the side then go for it. Its easy to make friends there if you are young and Much easier to be having fun everyday which is good and bad, Good if you are young and wants to have abit of fun while working there, Bad if you need to get your life sorted out and go there to waste more time and save nothing.

[Mason]

Your agreed pay could be reduced in half if you are not caucasian on arrival to your destination. Heard that from a first account witness who was there when the hired employee turned out to be an Egyptian in origin instead of the caucasian the company was expecting. I can't say that will happen in all cases, but it has happened before as I was told.

[MidriGeez]

Your agreed pay could be reduced in half if you are not caucasian on arrival to your destination. Heard that from a first account witness who was there when the hired employee turned out to be an Egyptian in origin instead of the caucasian the company was expecting. I can't say that will happen in all cases, but it has happened before as I was told.

lol I can see it. Emirati Have their own Law there its called Law as you Go. loool

[udun]

Salary could be slightly Higher than where you are But living expensive is not Cheap either, I got offered a job in Emirate for 100k + accomdation + car and 2 free plane ticket a year and turned it down. It wasn't worth it for me away from my family and friend for almost the same pay. Plus i would spend much more in there so i would save less. I have been to Dubai 6 times and people need to understand that Time flies Quickly there and if you don't have an aim and stick with it (Like saving up etc) then you would feel like you wasted your time. If you are looking for an adventure and Holiday work for a year and two possibly save abit on the side then go for it. Its easy to make friends there if you are young and Much easier to be having fun everyday which is good and bad, Good if you are young and wants to have abit of fun while working there, Bad if you need to get your life sorted out and go there to waste more time and save nothing.

So the whole 40% taxes that I am trying to save by going there for a job would go to housing expenses? Why the place (Gulf) would be so expenive when it is not even green and has no safari animals? In Ohio, where I am, the cost of living is not that high compare to NY, DC, or Bay Area. Even the best counties are very much 40% cheaper than the other overcrowded cities in the USA. Ok I would research housing cost in Gulf more.

One benefit I see living in those countries is they are Muslim countries, so at minimum your children would hear the Azan (call to prayer daily). Maasha'Allah that is a major thing. Besides, the place is very close to East Africa, so going to Somalia or to Eriterea is much closer than the long travel we take from here (USA). Having 30 days o more for vacation from Dubai would be great for anyone who wants to spend every gu' (spring) and autumn (deyr) in Somalia. Many people don't know but we have close to the Kenyan/Tanzanian safari in Somalia. In 2010, the last time I went to Somalia, I could see abundant gazelles, Somali Garanuug (these species are endangered), wilds hogs, baboons, lynx, fox, hyena, different species of the wolv familes plus the domisticated animals, beautiful beaches, and many more. I could even see a leapord (shabeel) in a Mountain in my 2010 backhome trip. Many of these endangered species have retreated to the mountains. Many people don't realize it but the land is so greenish during the gu' season. So, living and working in Gulf Arab countries is just a half-way from backhome.

Thanks bro MidriGeez for letting me know the housing cost!

[grandpakhalif]

Brother Midrigreez, is there a demand for computer specialists/programmers in Gulf countries?


Thanks.

[DisplacedDiraac]

Salary could be slightly Higher than where you are But living expensive is not Cheap either, I got offered a job in Emirate for 100k + accomdation + car and 2 free plane ticket a year and turned it down. It wasn't worth it for me away from my family and friend for almost the same pay. Plus i would spend much more in there so i would save less. I have been to Dubai 6 times and people need to understand that Time flies Quickly there and if you don't have an aim and stick with it (Like saving up etc) then you would feel like you wasted your time. If you are looking for an adventure and Holiday work for a year and two possibly save abit on the side then go for it. Its easy to make friends there if you are young and Much easier to be having fun everyday which is good and bad, Good if you are young and wants to have abit of fun while working there, Bad if you need to get your life sorted out and go there to waste more time and save nothing.

It really depends on your lifestyle and your main purpose of relocating there..
Housing is beyond expensive.. But if you're a singleton you can always flat/house share to keep the costs down.. Most expats actually do this.
Plus its worth to live in the more deprived areas near the centre then somewhere up market (in Abu dhabi anyway).
I honestly think Dubai is overratted.. Never liked it much..

But yeah I totally agree time flies there way more quickly.. Dont know whyoo..

[gurey25]

guys i live here and let me tell you that the good old days are gone.
20 years ago a bachelor degree would have you got you good pay, better than in the west, usually free accommodation and a a good lifestyle, especially for families.
10 years ago a bachelor degree and 2 to 5 years experience would get you the same .
10 years ago cadaan were worshiped and given amazing pay and perks, but things have changed.
Today there are 200,000 emaratis entering the workforce within the next 10 years , thats 20,000 a year .this trend has been building since the last 10 years.
There is a government program of nationalization, meaning companies will be set a quota of emaratis to hire, so they will be forced to hire less expats and more locals.
20 years ago cadaan westerners were still not so numerous and a rare sight so they were a privileged elite.
10 years ago from 2000 onwards there has been an explosion of westerners comming into the country , i think there must be nearly 400,000 out of 8.5 million people today.
There are so many cadaan westerners that they no longer command such high salaries, there is an equalization in the market, and skills and experience count more than origin today.
Supply and demand.

I have a few westerners in my department and i earn more than all of them.
allot of indians and arabs like egyptians palestinians earn more than them.

they are getting the same pay as everyone else today.

the stories you hear are from 10 years back.

In the UAE job market there is massive competition , a degree is not enough you need experience more than 5 years minimum and specialized qualifications.
Furthermore its not worth it going for IT jobs because for every job you apply for there are 20 indians with more experience than you, more techniclas qualifications than you
and willing to work for 1/4 what you are willing to work for and willing to work crazy hours and and also take abuse from their employers while kissing their ass?

Why hire you an uppity somali/westerner when you can get slaves to work for you?


The only good jobs available are management jobs, project management, marketing and creative stuff were you interact with people.
slaves cannot do those kinds of jobs, so highly polished Indians, Arabs and westerners come in.

[MidriGeez]

Salary could be slightly Higher than where you are But living expensive is not Cheap either, I got offered a job in Emirate for 100k + accomdation + car and 2 free plane ticket a year and turned it down. It wasn't worth it for me away from my family and friend for almost the same pay. Plus i would spend much more in there so i would save less. I have been to Dubai 6 times and people need to understand that Time flies Quickly there and if you don't have an aim and stick with it (Like saving up etc) then you would feel like you wasted your time. If you are looking for an adventure and Holiday work for a year and two possibly save abit on the side then go for it. Its easy to make friends there if you are young and Much easier to be having fun everyday which is good and bad, Good if you are young and wants to have abit of fun while working there, Bad if you need to get your life sorted out and go there to waste more time and save nothing.

So the whole 40% taxes that I am trying to save by going there for a job would go to housing expenses? Why the place (Gulf) would be so expenive when it is not even green and has no safari animals? In Ohio, where I am, the cost of living is not that high compare to NY, DC, or Bay Area. Even the best counties are very much 40% cheaper than the other overcrowded cities in the USA. Ok I would research housing cost in Gulf more.

One benefit I see living in those countries is they are Muslim countries, so at minimum your children would hear the Azan (call to prayer daily). Maasha'Allah that is a major thing. Besides, the place is very close to East Africa, so going to Somalia or to Eriterea is much closer than the long travel we take from here (USA). Having 30 days o more for vacation from Dubai would be great for anyone who wants to spend every gu' (spring) and autumn (deyr) in Somalia. Many people don't know but we have close to the Kenyan/Tanzanian safari in Somalia. In 2010, the last time I went to Somalia, I could see abundant gazelles, Somali Garanuug (these species are endangered), wilds hogs, baboons, lynx, fox, hyena, different species of the wolv familes plus the domisticated animals, beautiful beaches, and many more. I could even see a leapord (shabeel) in a Mountain in my 2010 backhome trip. Many of these endangered species have retreated to the mountains. Many people don't realize it but the land is so greenish during the gu' season. So, living and working in Gulf Arab countries is just a half-way from backhome.

Thanks bro MidriGeez for letting me know the housing cost!

Well sxb The Gulf and dubai is not like it was 10 Years ago. Yes we pay High tax in the west but what ever you save you would most likely put it on something else other than savings in the gulf countries. Example when i worked My salary out and compared it with what i got offered i was only $10k a year Worse off. I went to Dubai many Times and the lifestyle is different there you are out Most of the time if you are single to compensate Home sickness or Missing your family and friends. Its not cheap there either. $1k a month More for me means 3500 Dirhams. I spent that in one week and didn't even relaised it.lol For Eritreans or Somali's that comes from Home and go to dubai its worth it But for us coming from the west we have a heavy taste of entertainment and can lose of an Aim easily. $1k a month more for me away from my family and friends and work which i really like is not worth it especially when i would spend that money any way to keep myself entertained. The houses are expensive because there is more demand than supply too many people going to the gulf to make quick money and not enough housing to accomdate them. so if you don't get accomdation or your rent paid for then forget about going to dubai. I have compared it perfectly, I have a somali friend who 5 Years ago went to Dubai, 5 years ago Both were on the same level, Old car spending our money no savings both single and running away from our family who were trying to get us married. so 5 Years ago he got a job in Dubai, good pay with accomd. and 1 free ticket so the salary was the same but because i paid 30% tax he ended up 30% more than me. 5 Years later he came back with hardly anything and he was a good saver too but the Lifestyle and expenses there is too much to save let alone trying to convert it back to dollars and do something with it.

The problem there is you can't gurantee yourself a long term contract its 6 months,1 year,2 years and might extend if they really like you which is unlikely as your position is under constant threat from more qualified white people with more expenses demanding the same pay or less unless your are a surgeon or a doctor. so you can get a contract for 1 Year go there get let say $100k which is very very Rare unless you are engineer or a doctor or working in the government. you would get $100k doing the same back Home. Take 30% Tax That is $30,000. Less $5000-$10000 Tax return. So $20,000-25,000 would be your savings if you don't go out and make friends and spent more money experiencing the City/country which is Very unlikely if you are there in the first Year, Food more expensive. But when your contract finish and you come back and look for work for every month you waste is $7000-$8000 In lost wages. Basically going to work to dubai etc is very good if you are not working and looking for work But if you have a good work in your field you must evaluate carefully and compare., on the other hand been closer to home is an advantage you can pretty much go to somalia anytime u want.

[MidriGeez]

Brother Midrigreez, is there a demand for computer specialists/programmers in Gulf countries?


Thanks.

There is but don't expect too much in the way of salary.

[MidriGeez]

Salary could be slightly Higher than where you are But living expensive is not Cheap either, I got offered a job in Emirate for 100k + accomdation + car and 2 free plane ticket a year and turned it down. It wasn't worth it for me away from my family and friend for almost the same pay. Plus i would spend much more in there so i would save less. I have been to Dubai 6 times and people need to understand that Time flies Quickly there and if you don't have an aim and stick with it (Like saving up etc) then you would feel like you wasted your time. If you are looking for an adventure and Holiday work for a year and two possibly save abit on the side then go for it. Its easy to make friends there if you are young and Much easier to be having fun everyday which is good and bad, Good if you are young and wants to have abit of fun while working there, Bad if you need to get your life sorted out and go there to waste more time and save nothing.

It really depends on your lifestyle and your main purpose of relocating there..
Housing is beyond expensive.. But if you're a singleton you can always flat/house share to keep the costs down.. Most expats actually do this.
Plus its worth to live in the more deprived areas near the centre then somewhere up market (in Abu dhabi anyway).
I honestly think Dubai is overratted.. Never liked it much..

But yeah I totally agree time flies there way more quickly.. Dont know whyoo..

I hated Dubai to live there.. feels like everyone is like ghosts because no one stays there long term. Laakin its not bad if you are there for quick holiday. The only thing that would make it worth to live in dubai is if you have a very good buisness.

[MidriGeez]

guys i live here and let me tell you that the good old days are gone.
20 years ago a bachelor degree would have you got you good pay, better than in the west, usually free accommodation and a a good lifestyle, especially for families.
10 years ago a bachelor degree and 2 to 5 years experience would get you the same .
10 years ago cadaan were worshiped and given amazing pay and perks, but things have changed.
Today there are 200,000 emaratis entering the workforce within the next 10 years , thats 20,000 a year .this trend has been building since the last 10 years.
There is a government program of nationalization, meaning companies will be set a quota of emaratis to hire, so they will be forced to hire less expats and more locals.
20 years ago cadaan westerners were still not so numerous and a rare sight so they were a privileged elite.
10 years ago from 2000 onwards there has been an explosion of westerners comming into the country , i think there must be nearly 400,000 out of 8.5 million people today.
There are so many cadaan westerners that they no longer command such high salaries, there is an equalization in the market, and skills and experience count more than origin today.
Supply and demand.

I have a few westerners in my department and i earn more than all of them.
allot of indians and arabs like egyptians palestinians earn more than them.

they are getting the same pay as everyone else today.

the stories you hear are from 10 years back.

In the UAE job market there is massive competition , a degree is not enough you need experience more than 5 years minimum and specialized qualifications.
Furthermore its not worth it going for IT jobs because for every job you apply for there are 20 indians with more experience than you, more techniclas qualifications than you
and willing to work for 1/4 what you are willing to work for and willing to work crazy hours and and also take abuse from their employers while kissing their ass?

Why hire you an uppity somali/westerner when you can get slaves to work for you?


The only good jobs available are management jobs, project management, marketing and creative stuff were you interact with people.
slaves cannot do those kinds of jobs, so highly polished Indians, Arabs and westerners come in.

there is no protection from your job either, if you are contracted they have the right to cancell your contract with no penalty and send u home to waste your time looking for work again and start from the bottom. The contract only applies to you.

[udun]

What about Qatar? Is it expensive as Dubai?