UAE conducts 500 eye surgeries in Somalia

[Executive]

Nothing generous about killing people, supporting warlords and stealing resources. The empire still lives. Western support Warlords predates al-shabab, its easy to make false arguments when you create a baseless context.

[Executive]

+UK has 108,000 Somalis with guaranteed legal protection against discrimination at work,school and all other places+financial security/pension+free education. No f-cking way UAE and others can compete with thate

All that stuff is not free, people work for it. Its called paying taxes and pension contributions.

[wolverine]

Do you mean during Islamic Courts Union years. Ofcourse they would have done that, especially when high profile people in the IUC were coming from Afghanistan?

[Executive]

Do you mean during Islamic Courts Union years. Ofcourse they would have done that, especially when high profile people in the IUC were coming from Afghanistan?

Its been going on long before the ICU, you might want to watch a UK channel 4 documentary about this. are you trying to justify supporting Warlords?

[wolverine]

Executive

All that stuff is not free, people work for it. Its called paying taxes and pension contributions.

Yes, taxes collected by almost exclusively from the non-muslim british population. When they could be taking care of their elders, they bring in a few ungratefuls, who'll never see how unprecedented their situation is.

[wolverine]

Its been going on long before the ICU, you might want to watch a UK channel 4 documentary about this. are you trying to justify supporting Warlords?

What kind of support? Food aid? Building road bridges? Be specific about the kind of aid!

And yes I could see why would be worried about a welfarecollecting ungratef-l bastard would be a danger to their society to the point of supporting a warlord who got atleast a large support group.

[Executive]

Financial support

[wolverine]

Financial support

What kind of financial support. Saying that they gave a warlord financial support could mean anything from building schools to trying to prevent starvation. Be specific!

[Arabmann]

Why is it so hard to understand, what western countries have done for Somali refugees have been unprecedented, Why is it that some insist on conspiracy for the generosity. Unf-cking believable.

Because nothing is done for free. For instance, the Brits will get at least 50% of the profits of Somalia's oil.

[udun]

Wolferine, I think you are missing the point of what we are discussing in this thread. No one is disputing the presence of Somalis and other ethnic group from thir world governments in the west. No one is disputing the opportunities that exists in the west such as the freedom choice, religion, or the freedom to assemble. These rights that exists in the west came out of the struggle that was put up by the progessive movements such as the civil rights, labour movement, and women's movement. What some including myself praised ansd supported was the aid that came from some Muslim countries such as the UAE that is not tied to politics. When Muslim governments give aid to Somalia, they give it because of the despair that exists in this Muslim country. However, when aid from the west comes in, it has strings attached to it. It goes thru an NGO called UN that is known for its corruption and heartless bureacrats. The aid that goes thru the UN has been used to undermine the return of the Somali state. When WFP brings in food aid, they don't bring in when it is needed. They bring that aid in Somalia when it is least needed, and it had consequences for the people of of Somalia, particularly Somalis who are predominantly farmers.

Your point of using citizeship as a talking point is useless. Why would we need to obtain citizenship in other countries when we are Somalis and we already have our own country. Truth is, if Somalia as a state was not undermined, we would not need to seek citizenship from other countries. You can read about what experts who know the foreign aid to Africa inside out wrote about it, instead of keep repeating your Islam bashing slogans, such as "pluspoints in paradise"

[grandpakhalif]

Wolverine's argument is certainly false, just because we reside in the West does not mean we support their continuing support for chaos, anarchy and poverty in Somalia. Remember it was the US and other nations who funde many of the country's most worthless warlords and provided the military and financial aid for the Ethiopian incurssion against the ICU (a native Somali movement).

Arabs and nonsomali Muslims in general have not interfered in our affairs and have their own problems to wrroy about, of course the Gulf countries have strict immigration laws, this is to protect their own national intererest and is none of our concern. Imagine if KSA had a US/European type open immigration policy nearly all Muslims would want to emigrate their creating burden on the state. Whilst the US and Europe encourage immigration in order for them to compensate for their low birth rates.

So take your pro-Western view to the garbage can.

[qoraxeey]

lets just say thanks to the UAE people

there is no need for to bash arabs nor the west somalis put them selfs in this place

[wolverine]

udun
Those NGOs that you're talking about, aren't they the ones run in Kenya by somalis?
Secondly the reason why I keep mentioning citizenship is because its represents genuine equality. A newly arrived illiterate who doesn't share you're beliefs has the same rights as the one who worked there for 45 years with a a bad pension and heritage there since stone age. Lets keep in mind the uniqueness of that in history.

[wolverine]

double post

[wolverine]

grandpakhalif

Wolverine's argument is certainly false, just because we reside in the West does not mean we support their continuing support for chaos, anarchy and poverty in Somalia. Remember it was the US and other nations who funde many of the country's most worthless warlords and provided the military and financial aid for the Ethiopian incurssion against the ICU (a native Somali movement).
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Again, I already said, I see why countries like the UK see a danger that a welfarecollecting ungrateful bastard who got asylum and opportunities there when he couldn't get it in muslim brother nation Saudi Arabia or any other for that matter, might do something. My purpose is not to show that western countries are perfect, but that they nevertheless have been incredibly generous in the standard of human history. You don't seem to appreciate something obvious like that.

Arabs and nonsomali Muslims in general have not interfered in our affairs and have their own problems to wrroy about, of course the Gulf countries have strict immigration laws, this is to protect their own national intererest and is none of our concern. Imagine if KSA had a US/European type open immigration policy nearly all Muslims would want to emigrate their creating burden on the state. Whilst the US and Europe encourage immigration in order for them to compensate for their low birth rates.

Let me repeat myself

A newly arrived illiterate who doesn't share you're beliefs has the same rights as the one who worked there for 45 years with a a bad pension and heritage there since stone age.

How is an illiterate and uneducated person going to benifit you're the western countries? Can you answer that?

Most have interfered in Somalias internal affairs, it seems. Some want liberalism in Somalia, others poison Somalia with salafism. I prefer liberalism and so should you