Simple Observation

[waryaa]

The gov must have the right to take any land it deems national importance. If the popular argument is implemented then all national army barracks, airports, training camps, field hospitals, etc, etc. wd be claimed by individuals too.

Awahab/osob thnx for the names of the other executed men.

[AbdiWahab252]

Warya,

The three conspirators represented the three major qabiils of Somalia and were hung by the very laws they drafted in the 1969 coup of which they engineered. It was a ironic.

Personally, I am a believer that government should never do NATIONALIZATION and instead buy land under the concept of willing seller/willing buyer.

[waryaa]

Warya,

The three conspirators represented the three major qabiils of Somalia and were hung by the very laws they drafted in the 1969 coup of which they engineered. It was a ironic.

Personally, I am a believer that government should never do NATIONALIZATION and instead buy land under the concept of willing seller/willing buyer.

So they planned their demise without knowin -

How would u solve today's paradox? Would say Balidogle airport should be given to peasants who claim it rightly or wrongly?

[daiman]

Heathrow airport is being expanded. I wonder whose land was.....

But also, how ironic, many Somalis moved to the West...and say 'my home...my house...my rights', but refuse to see that Somalia belongs to Somalis. And that there must be some communal properties....what do they want? do they want everywhere to be a house? xagey dowladiina dagi doontaa.

[FAH1223]

I am supportive of any program that hands back land to private individuals whose properties were nationalized by the MSB regime. I also support the nationalization of all properties built with stolen Somali taxpayer funds. I find it reprehensible that individuals who stole government funds be allowed to profit from their crimes against the Somali taxpayer. These programs should also be implemented overseas with teams of financial forensic experts to track down Somali government assets overseas and reclaim them.

Nationalization by MSB's regime was a crime against the Somali people. It killed off foreign investment in Somalia. It set back the free market in Somalia. The Somali Central Bank in its last years became a checking account for those close to the regime I remember my father having to pay % to get US dollars out of his USD account because there was very little liquidity and the stupid international organization would only pay into a Somali Bank account of which there was ONLY one Somali bank

Waryaa, its not only Salaad Gabeyre's families but also the Ainanashe family and the Delaal family. All three consipirators were executed by the MSB for alleged treason.

This is all true. Nationalization really crippled the country. My awoowe AUN had to struggle to get hard cash sent to the USA for my dad. His brother also worked in the central bank too.

[Lamagoodle]

Abdiwahab and Fah,

In hindsight one could argue that nationalization was wrong but at that time – given the guiding principle of marxism- alot of somalis saw that as a great thing to do.

The government at that time did it for the good of somali(a).

The dollar issue was not only confined to Somalia but throughout developing countries (and many industrialized nations for that matter). There were restrictions everywhere.

[waryaa]

i logged out and remembered somethin.. lol. Walaahi my relatives claim Elgab, a large public transport hub in downtown Mogadishu and much of the bacadlaha was confiscated from them. The only thing they are left with is Elgab Cinema. Will they get it back? I must ask the president.. lol

[eliteSomali]

When you say nationalized do you mean it's government owned as in no particular official owns it? Or do you mean after the lands were confiscated they were given to government officials for their enjoyment? If it's the latter in which civilian lands were forcefully confiscated or were coerced by the chief Xecutive for private government officials use, then he was wrong for that and yes all the lands should be given back. If, however, the lands proved to be a national asset and that the government thought it could be useful to the government, and for that reason they were confiscated, then at least compensation should have been provided. If he didn't, he was also wrong for that but if he did, then he was right in that. Also, it doesn't matter if he was forced into giving his "guriga shaqaalaha" land: if all given or confiscated lands are given back, then I agree, he should get his piece too or should I say his peeps shuld.

[FAH1223]

Abdiwahab and Fah,

In hindsight one could argue that nationalization was wrong but at that time – given the guiding principle of marxism- alot of somalis saw that as a great thing to do.

The government at that time did it for the good of somali(a).

The dollar issue was not only confined to Somalia but throughout developing countries (and many industrialized nations for that matter). There were restrictions everywhere.

It was a short sighted endeavour. It had some immediate benefits, sure.. I can't argue with that.

But it really crippled investment in the country and closed off industries from even Somalis being able to tap into let alone foreigners.

One good thing about Somalis is they like to make businesses, start ups, and be entrepreneaurs. But communist measures don't help that.

[Lamagoodle]

It was a short sighted endeavour. It had some immediate benefits, sure.. I can't argue with that.

But it really crippled investment in the country and closed off industries from even Somalis being able to tap into let alone foreigners.

One good thing about Somalis is they like to make businesses, start ups, and be entrepreneaurs. But communist measures don't help that.

Fah123, we need to put things into context adeerkiis. This was a time of cold war with two different competing models; capitalism and marxism. This was also a time when Somalia and other African countries adhered to one of the two philosophies.

FDI flows to developing countries was limited.

Yes, there is entrepreneurship spirit but this is what I will call survival entrepreneurship.

So, see that period from that perspective.

[Hyperactive]

lama, you're million times qualified than those so called TFG members, included their president and pm. maad ninyaho try to run for office? just consider it. i believe you would do great job.

[kambuli]

The land was divided into two categories.

1. Municipale,
2. Damanyaale..

So are we saying that any land in Mogadisho should be given back to the people who claim Mogadisho? Doesn't the gov't own any land? Isn't there anything called Public Property?

[grandpakhalif]

My Awoowe owns a significant part of Beerta Kuwait in Afgooye, he got it back

[AbdiWahab252]

Lama,

There was absolutely no reason for nationalization. It was a veiled attempt at destroying the merchant class and elite in Somalia whom the 1969 revolutionaries thought would endanger their revolution. Systematic looting by the marxist regime. It was unfortunate that many Somali merchants fled the country after the 1969 revolution to other parts of Africa and some stayed there.

If there had been no nationalization and a mixed economy was implemented, Somalia's economy would have been on par with countries like Kenya. We would have had enough foreign investment to ensure that we were worth saving Kenya is not saved simply because they are better Africans but because so much international investment is locked up there.

FAH,

The corruption was immense in the 1980s. You couldn't even get a letter of credit unless you bought it from the inner circle of the regime. There was very little cash on hand from local taxation. Even if the USC did not rise up, the government was bankrupt and would have been deposed by unpaid civil servants and military

[TheLoFather]

I just have one (maybe 2) question about the ownership of lands in somalia, muqadisho in particular.

who did that catholic church belong to prior the church being built and what is the future of that building and it land?