The Muslim Brotherhood and its influence on Somali Islamism

[grandpakhalif]

not according sheikh. saleh fawzan, sheikh rabee and sheikh ibn baz.

who studied islam their whole lives, so yeah I rather take their opinion over yours.

[gurey25]

respect to the brothers above but they are not the only scholars .

arent they all hanbali, and dont they all take Ibn Taymiyya and his students as their teachers?

but why do the the brothers that you mention ignore Shiekh Ibn Taymiyahs most famous fatwa?
im sure you know it, if not i suggest you ask your teachers quick.

Ibn kathir and Ibn Qayyim hundreds of years ago agreed with Ibn Taymiyah but guess what the Shiekh Mohamed bin Ibrahim alsheikh the Grand mufti before Shiekh albaz also agreed with this fatwa.

Albaz and albani came up with this teaching that you cannot rebel against your ruler at all even if they rule with man made laws.
Shiekh Uthaymeen refused to even address this subject and would get upset everytime it was raised in front of him, and it was raised infront of him dozens of times.

[Substance]

The brotherhood is a reformist modernist movement heavily influenced by the west.
They are made from the same basic mold like its more "extreme" decedents i.e in that they wish to "reform" and "modernize" islam and this leaves them susceptible to
corruption and from outside the traditions of islam.

Can you give an example of in what way they have tried modernize Islam and reform it? If this is the case then I cannot support such entity.That would be to playing in the hands of the anti-islamic world and be infact un-islamic.

[Eaglehawk]

Most of these islamist have no political future in my opinion.
The odds of them succeeding are stacked against them
The one thing I like about these islamist is that they produce dynamic characters but I consider their ideas not appealing, apart from their idea of leading a Islamic oriented lifestyle

I believe muslim brotherhood was more successful outside of government then they will be inside of government
The only way these islamist will be successful is, if they really believe in the supremacy of the rule of law and the supremacy of shariah law which I doubt due to the international pressure

I always believed the European secret society models are what is required in the muslim world.
Islamist should stop from pursuing the acquisition of hard power and they should strive for soft power in order avoided the radars set by the more power and resourceful judeo Christian alliance

The islamist lead government in Egypt can be sabotaged by buying Egyptian bonds in the market and then manipulating the bond market in such a way that the Egyptian government gets financially entangled and default in the end

[AbdiWahab252]

I support Islamism as dictated by Sheik Dostum, Defender of the Faithful & the Religion:

[gurey25]

The brotherhood is a reformist modernist movement heavily influenced by the west.
They are made from the same basic mold like its more "extreme" decedents i.e in that they wish to "reform" and "modernize" islam and this leaves them susceptible to
corruption and from outside the traditions of islam.

Can you give an example of in what way they have tried modernize Islam and reform it? If this is the case then I cannot support such entity.That would be to playing in the hands of the anti-islamic world and be infact un-islamic.

albanna was a student of muhamed abdu, and muhamed abdu was influenced by jalaludeen afghani,
they both saw western forms of government, a strong central state with the same banking based economic system as the ideal, and their solution was to give it muslim clothing.

There is really nothing that radically differentiates the Muslim brotherhood the AK party in Turkey and even the Shia state in iran from the west.
They were all made in the Wests image, and soon will become like any christian center right party in Europe, if they progress down this path successfully.

[gurey25]

Most of these islamist have no political future in my opinion.
The odds of them succeeding are stacked against them
The one thing I like about these islamist is that they produce dynamic characters but I consider their ideas not appealing, apart from their idea of leading a Islamic oriented lifestyle

I believe muslim brotherhood was more successful outside of government then they will be inside of government
The only way these islamist will be successful is, if they really believe in the supremacy of the rule of law and the supremacy of shariah law which I doubt due to the international pressure

I always believed the European secret society models are what is required in the muslim world.
Islamist should stop from pursuing the acquisition of hard power and they should strive for soft power in order avoided the radars set by the more power and resourceful judeo Christian alliance

The islamist lead government in Egypt can be sabotaged by buying Egyptian bonds in the market and then manipulating the bond market in such a way that the Egyptian government gets financially entangled and default in the end

Its the first time i agree with you.
If you step out into the limelight and grasp the reigns of power, you will have no choice at all but to follow the guidelines and directives set by the powers.
Their methods of control all entirely economic and it is much more efficient that the old fashioned colonialism.

a European secret society model is not necessary when you can reinvigorate Sufi tariqas.
The Imperial russians had a an entire department in their secret police to infiltrate and spy on them with no luck, and it too the soviets till the 70's to crack open the
Sufi tariqas, with the only ones surviving extermination being the chechen and dagestani ones, due to them combining qabiil and Sufi tariqa into single organizations that were able to militarize and gain control of the blackmarket all under the eyes of the KGB.

The key here is the economy this is the true battlefield.

[Arabmann]

The odds of them succeeding are stacked against them

The only way these islamist will be successful is, if they really believe in the supremacy of the rule of law and the supremacy of shariah law which I doubt due to the international pressure

Islamist should stop from pursuing the acquisition of hard power and they should strive for soft power in order avoided the radars set by the more power and resourceful judeo Christian alliance

The islamist lead government in Egypt can be sabotaged by buying Egyptian bonds in the market and then manipulating the bond market in such a way that the Egyptian government gets financially entangled and default in the end

So, you believe the Islamists will fail not because of their own flaws or shortcomings, but a powerful judeo Christian alliance that will make them fail (by way of military, economy, social, etc interferences)?

[Colonel]

In the times we live in the best form of governance us conservative muslims can hope for is something like the Muslim Brotherhood or even Turkey's AK party. The cursed seculars have met their end in the Muslim world and the jihadis are either too extreme or get interference by the West which then drags the land into prolongued conflict.

Turkey's AK party is the example to follow when it comes to economic & foreign affairs whilst the Muslim Brotherhood's social involvement must be replicated.