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Re: Somali presidential poll

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:11 pm
by Substance
Arabman wrote:
Substance wrote:And yo are saying Sheik Sharif is not?
No. But, at least Sharif was independent before his transformation.
There is no difference between the president candidates in that aspect, what sharif was yesterday has no value today.

Re: Somali presidential poll

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:19 pm
by Substance
Dp

Re: Somali presidential poll

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:20 pm
by Substance
hipsterrunoff wrote:
Substance wrote:Yes he is married. but sis you dont want him, you want me. :lol: 8-)
Image

You don't want me. I don't wear a hijab. You can get a girl that does. :up:
I will, and when I find itImage

Re: Somali presidential poll

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:49 pm
by Arabmann
Substance wrote:There is no difference between the president candidates in that aspect, what sharif was yesterday has no value today.
You're mistaken. This recent article supports my stance that Farmaajo, a foreigner, isn't qualified to run for office:
Drafters of Somalia’s constitution can’t ignore reality on the ground

Posted Sunday, July 1 2012 at 18:53

Should someone who holds the passport of another country be allowed to run for political office in Somalia?

This is one of the contentious issues that the drafters of Somalia’s new constitution may have to grapple with as Somalia enters in a new phase of governance with the exit of the Transitional Federal Government in August.

The issue has arisen because many of the contenders for high public offices, including that of the President, hold American, Canadian, British or other passports.

One could argue that given that Somalia has been experiencing civil war for the last 20 years, it is only natural that Somalis in the diaspora would opt to become citizens of the countries in which they reside and that barring them from political office is denying them an opportunity to serve their motherland.

Many would also say that Somalis in the diaspora should not be punished for seeking asylum or citizenship in other countries as they had no choice but to flee.

However, questions are being raised about whether individuals who hold allegiance to another country can run for President and faithfully serve Somalia.

Will their loyalties be divided? Will they become mouthpieces and stooges of the countries whose passports they hold? Even if they acquire a Somali passport, will their dual citizenship impact the country’s foreign policy?

In Kenya, as in many other countries, dual citizenship offers many advantages, but also comes with certain restrictions. Dual citizens cannot run for political office, for instance, and can certainly not become President.

In an interview with the Voice of America’s Somali service, Somalia’s minister of Constitutional Affairs and Reconciliation, Abdurahman Hosh Jibril, said that the issue of citizenship had been put on hold for now, and will be dealt with later through special legislation.

The UN-brokered constitution that is slated to be approved next week by 825 traditional elders and members of civil society groups has also been marred by questions of legitimacy.

A recent survey conducted by VoA showed that more than 60 per cent of Somalis want the new constitution to be approved through a national referendum — which, given prevailing conditions in the country, is not feasible.

Others argue that constitution-making is not a priority in Somalia, and that if changes needed to be made to the 1960 constitution, these should have come about through a democratic process involving all the Somali people, and not through a small group of people who may or may not represent the majority of Somalis.

However, present-day Somalia is different from the country that obtained independence 52 years ago. Lawlessness in the last 20 years has strengthened the role of religion and traditional elders.

According to Abdulwahid Qalinle, director of the Islamic Law and Human Rights Project at the University of Minnesota Law School, this is because “in times of crisis, people seek refuge in faith” and Islam has helped Somalis to survive the harsh realities of the last two decades.

Because Islamic groups filled a void that should have ideally been filled by the government, support for Sharia law is strong in Somalia.

Nearly 90 per cent of those surveyed by VoA said that Sharia should be applied as a civil and criminal code throughout the country.

This state of affairs has led to a situation where there is “no organised secular discourse”, according to Qalinle.

In light of this, the new constitution may not receive much support at the grassroots level.

Most youth in Somalia have grown up without knowing what a government does. They live in societies that are governed by customary laws and traditional elders.

Islam provides a buffer against uncertainty and chaos. Is it surprising that Al Shabaab took root in this country?

On the other hand, a majority of Somalis are yearning for a strong central government.

The VoA survey showed that more than 80 per cent of Somalis would like to see a robust central government.

Only time will tell if this can happen under the new constitution, which leans towards a federated Somali state, in which regions enjoy considerable autonomy.

http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Dr ... index.html

Re: Somali presidential poll

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:49 am
by FarhanYare
Basra- wrote:I voted for # 9 --- i dont know why..... :?
and who is omar elmi :? ?

Re: Somali presidential poll

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:56 am
by FarhanYare
i would give farmaajo the pm position i honestly think he doesn't suit the president position and as for sheikh shariif all i got say is wait for it 2 more months and you are outta of villa somalia.... for presidency i would prefer someone fresh to this polical arena and Prof. badiye sounds like a good candidate.

Re: Somali presidential poll

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:00 pm
by Arabmann
faraaxoos1 wrote:i would give farmaajo the pm position
Why would you give him the same position?

Re: Somali presidential poll

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:36 pm
by nomadicwarlord
I hope this is not the case or we are all doomed. :lol: