On Hyenas and the Pedantic Dogma of Hyper-literalism

[SultanOrder]

Perfect Order

They're against it but do they physically fight against them? No they just point out what their doing is wrong and make dua against them. Late scholars like Ibn taymiyah, Ibn qayim, Ibn baaz and even salih fawzan who is alive today say you can't fight against your leader.

ibn taymiyya, ibn qayim (teacher and student) ra died 700 years ago, ibn baaz and salih al fawzan are part and parcel of the leadership of Suadi Arabia. The last two are saying that you can't fight against us. But nevertheless Scholars make their opinions based on their ijtihad, but there are many diverse opinions among muslims scholars from the past and present from all different sects. It's really looking at what is best for your people, war is not a light matter and should not be taken serious, sometimes a dictator or a tyrant is better than what could happen if he is gone. Allahu Calam I'm not someone to discuss this.

Shirib, lol, actually the hadiths say that the ones who drank it never had any stomach pains ever after. Seems pretty logical and health benefits. But the reality is if it happened it was something that happen rarely and not a command from the prophet scw. The sahaba made themselves human sheilds for the prophet scw, would prefer pain on themselves or their parents over the rasul scw standing on a thorn, their love for him scw was beyond infatuation, beyond the normal confines of human relations and interactions. Your imposing your logical views constructed completely from a different time and place, and imposing on the Sahahba ra.

[grandpakhalif]

grandpa, Adiga madaxaa in lagaaga jiro yaan maleeyay. At#4, waabad isku xaartay kid. Kulahaa Slavery waa xalaal and gives women protection. Many of you in this forum have put your faith at risk by commenting without reservations on what Allah Had prohibited and what he has made legal without knowledge.


Meesha ka aamusa.

Yes man its permissible.

You know what a kaafir would do? He would rape all those women on the spot then shoot them, execution style. Atleast we muslims have the decency to take her home, cook her dinner and provide her with a bed after we done the deed.

[SultanOrder]

grandpa, Adiga madaxaa in lagaaga jiro yaan maleeyay. At#4, waabad isku xaartay kid. Kulahaa Slavery waa xalaal and gives women protection. Many of you in this forum have put your faith at risk by commenting without reservations on what Allah Had prohibited and what he has made legal without knowledge.


Meesha ka aamusa.

Yes man its permissible.

You know what a kaafir would do? He would rape all those women on the spot then shoot them, execution style. Atleast we muslims have the decency to take her home, cook her dinner and provide her with a bed after we done the deed.

[sadeboi]

P.O

What do you think of slavery and marriage to young girls?

[Enlightened~Sista]

This grandpa kid deenta ayuu ku ciyaarayaa. Stop it warya we know what you're up to.

[grandpakhalif]

How am I making a mockery of the deen? According to our religion it is permissible for a private soldier to acquire a new slave as private property, reward for their occupation. Only children of slaves or non-Muslim prisoners of war could become slaves, never a freeborn Muslim.

So why are you outraged over kaafira slaves being taken by muslims?

[SultanOrder]

P.O

What do you think of slavery and marriage to young girls?

I'll send you to my sheikh

[CaliBurco]

P.O

What do you think of slavery and marriage to young girls?

I'll send you to my sheikh

Why do brothers have to communicate like this on the internet? Seriously, what's wrong with this family

[Leftist]

E-Sis, Gurey, Alpha, & PO thanks for hearing me out. Even if you disagree with me, at least you're reasoning and not resorting to invective(He is a fitnah-stirrer/hizbee/yahood-lover....ban him! shut down the thread!)

Sahan,

There is no contradiction in what I wrote. Mar kale ku laabo. Ha isku qasin the Occupying Zionist Entity and scientists of Jewish origin.

TeAmo, why the hostility? Shaykh Bin Baz(raxmatullahi calyh) was not macsoom. He was a human being. Just like you and me. He could and did make mistakes. Mistakes in judgement. Mistakes in understanding science and how the world works. To point out that he was a human capable of making mistakes does not diminish his stature. The crown of omnipotence belongs to Ilaahay and Ilaahay alone. So be easy with the whole 'personality cult' thing. Neither Bin Baz nor Ibn Taymiyyah nor Ahmed bin Hanbal is above criticism (I love them all especially Ahmed bin Hanbal, but that doesn't mean I won't question them, their writings, and their judgements)

Shirib & FAH,
You two are reasonable guys, ma wax qaldan baa sheegay? Just because a hadith is in Bukhari or Muslim does NOT make it error-proof. The hadith could STILL be daciif or mowduuc. The isnaad, the chain of transmission could STILL be faulty. The hadith where a grown woman breast fed a grown man is also found in Bukhari & Muslim. A pervert like Cali-Gaab will point to that xadeeth and say that gives him the right to ask Basra for milk....so that they can be muhrams. Haye, adiga bal talo keen.

Same thing goes for the urine-drinking. Sufis will tell you that it is Sunnah mu'akkada to drink the urine and ingest the bodily fluids of the our teachers and awliyaa to seek their barakah. And if you try to explain to them that they are effing crazy, they will give you a hadith....also from Bukhari and Muslim. Haye, maxaad samayn?

All I'm saying is this insistence on literal dogma has got to stop. It is lazy, cowardly, and serves the ruling elite too well. Just look at TeAmo and her passionate defence of dictators(It is Haram to rebel against our leaders!). But then you point out to her that Ibn Zubair rebelled against Yazeed, and she'll fall back on that epic Talafi cop-out: "We do not discuss what happened between the Saxaabah". What the hyper-literalists fail to realise is the Shareeca concept of(Al Ikhtilaaf fil xaali wal zamaan). That something may have been halal in the 7th century due to specific circumstances(ie, everybody was practicing slavery) but no longer is due to a change in Xaal(Circumstance) and Zamaan(Time). Case-in-point: Slavery. Literalists, however, will tell you that slavery is still halal today and if you say otherwise, gaal baa tahay, because you took something that was haal and made it haram.

I'll try to flesh this out over the weekend, till then, afur wanaagsan dhamaan

Reason Dogma
Enlightened Shareeca that serves the masses Dogmatic 'Shareeca' that serves tyrants

[Salah Al-Din]

SHEEKH UMUL ON WHY HYENA MEAT IS HALAL



I wouldn't eat it, but apparently some scholars believe it is halal.

[FAH1223]

E-Sis, Gurey, Alpha, & PO thanks for hearing me out. Even if you disagree with me, at least you're reasoning and not resorting to invective(He is a fitnah-stirrer/hizbee/yahood-lover....ban him! shut down the thread!)

Sahan,

There is no contradiction in what I wrote. Mar kale ku laabo. Ha isku qasin the Occupying Zionist Entity and scientists of Jewish origin.

TeAmo, why the hostility? Shaykh Bin Baz(raxmatullahi calyh) was not macsoom. He was a human being. Just like you and me. He could and did make mistakes. Mistakes in judgement. Mistakes in understanding science and how the world works. To point out that he was a human capable of making mistakes does not diminish his stature. The crown of omnipotence belongs to Ilaahay and Ilaahay alone. So be easy with the whole 'personality cult' thing. Neither Bin Baz nor Ibn Taymiyyah nor Ahmed bin Hanbal is above criticism (I love them all especially Ahmed bin Hanbal, but that doesn't mean I won't question them, their writings, and their judgements)

Shirib & FAH,
You two are reasonable guys, ma wax qaldan baa sheegay? Just because a hadith is in Bukhari or Muslim does NOT make it error-proof. The hadith could STILL be daciif or mowduuc. The isnaad, the chain of transmission could STILL be faulty. The hadith where a grown woman breast fed a grown man is also found in Bukhari & Muslim. A pervert like Cali-Gaab will point to that xadeeth and say that gives him the right to ask Basra for milk....so that they can be muhrams. Haye, adiga bal talo keen.

Same thing goes for the urine-drinking. Sufis will tell you that it is Sunnah mu'akkada to drink the urine and ingest the bodily fluids of the our teachers and awliyaa to seek their barakah. And if you try to explain to them that they are effing crazy, they will give you a hadith....also from Bukhari and Muslim. Haye, maxaad samayn?

All I'm saying is this insistence on literal dogma has got to stop. It is lazy, cowardly, and serves the ruling elite too well. Just look at TeAmo and her passionate defence of dictators(It is Haram to rebel against our leaders!). But then you point out to her that Ibn Zubair rebelled against Yazeed, and she'll fall back on that epic Talafi cop-out: "We do not discuss what happened between the Saxaabah". What the hyper-literalists fail to realise is the Shareeca concept of(Al Ikhtilaaf fil xaali wal zamaan). That something may have been halal in the 7th century due to specific circumstances(ie, everybody was practicing slavery) but no longer is due to a change in Xaal(Circumstance) and Zamaan(Time). Case-in-point: Slavery. Literalists, however, will tell you that slavery is still halal today and if you say otherwise, gaal baa tahay, because you took something that was haal and made it haram.

I co-sign this powerful post.

[SultanOrder]

Leftist, bro you are just constructing a straw man argument, and grabbing on periphery issues as if these are major contentions, to attack and garner support.

[AbdiWahab252]

Leftist is doing a Ahmed Madoobe

[Leftist]

^^ How so, Taliye?

PO,

Specifically, what part of anything i said do you disagree with?

[sadeboi]

Leftist, we are constantly asked to think in the Quran and ponder, and yet lately all we here is to stop thought and committed intellectual suicide. When did the notion of not questioning become a source of pride? Was this normal throughout Islamic history or a phenomenon in contemporary times.