I CANNOT imagine Somalia under Shariif again !

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Re: I CANNOT imagine Somalia under Shariif again !

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Mondey wrote:
PrinceDaadi wrote:Unless something extra ordinary happened, it seems Sharif dalxiis will be the President in the next four good yrs.
unless the other candidates drop out and unite behind one. isn't it ?
Somali politics is multi dimensional, few weeks before the parliament election i met with a consult who works with transitional group and he told me something funny, he said "the whole thing comes down to the two sharifs" If sharif hassan wins on his Galaydh project he is most likely be the president of Somalia if not he will suport sharif dalxiis and Sharif dalxiis will be the president.

If Farmajo, samatar, badiyow, Hassan sheikh and Yusuf garaad can support one candidate then there is a chance we might get a new president if not it seems Dalxiis will be crisscrossing the world.
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Re: I CANNOT imagine Somalia under Shariif again !

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Murax if you look carefully here on Somalinet the Habargedir are not really that pro Addow or that radio guy Yusuf garaad
The Abgaals are pretty much united they want to see sharif back no matter what happens
The Merehaans are pretty much united behind Faarmaajo eventhough i dont understand their tactics they have 3 candidates running Goonjeex Faarmaajo and the son of the General , Maslax is there plan behind that. But the Merehaans are not that passionate about their candidate winning well maybe the republic. I am hearing from a friend in Mogadisho Faarmaajo has the entire beesha shanaad in his pocket
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Re: I CANNOT imagine Somalia under Shariif again !

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InvisibleHand wrote:What I am afraid will happen though is that if Sharif is ousted tomorrow and we have a new President, the new President in 2016 will be given all the credit of transforming Somalia. Yes it may seem that Sharif hasnt done anything in terms of development and the establishment of the political structure of Somalia but I dont think we can blame him for this. How can you build the country, create a bureaucracy, and move Somalia forward when you have thousands of armed pseudo-religious thugs causing havoc? They had to be dealt with first and then we can move forward. I am afraid Sharif, who has done the dirty work, will be ignored and even accused of being ineffective in a few years should we have a new president elected tomorrow.

There are 3 or 4 candidates that I would personally support before Sharif but I think that even though he has been in power for 3 years now, that it would be premature to speculate that he would be ineffective in his second term (should he be given one). Due to circumstances beyond his control, he couldnt do what he could have done for the country (in terms of development, etc). One thing I have noticed is that under him in charge, Al-Shabab has gone from controlling the whole southern Somalia to now losing more than half of its control and losing the capital (and it looks like they will be defeated completely within weeks and the government will have control in all of southern Somalia).

Let's say hypothetically that Al Shabab is completely destroyed by October 1st, he loses tomorrow and in the next 4 years, there is positive changes going on in Somalia. Don't you think that people would unfairly blame Sharif of being totally ineffective? Understand that change, especially in a war torn country, will not be immediate. It will possibly take 5-10 years to see real change in Somalia. Nothing is quick. I am not saying continue to support Sharif and pick him as your number one candidate (he's not even my number 1 candidate) but don't be hard on the man. He had such a hard task to do and he has done much for Somalia. Whether you want to disagree or not, what can't be denied is that much has changed for the better for the average person in Mogadishu and in some parts of southern Somalia. Understand that nothing comes quick and not to judge this man prematurely. The situation that Sharif had to deal within the past 3 years is much much stressful and painful than the situation that the next President will be dealing with in his 4 year term.

I rather see Samatar or Farmaajo or even Badiyoow as President but these men are different from Sharif. Yes they may have their PhD's from Western universities but Sharif is someone who has been deeply involved in his country. The same cannot be said about the first three men. He has been involved in trying to disarm the warlords and implemented an Islamic courts system and law across the whole southern Somalia. This is a man who loves his country deeply. This is a man who knows his country in and out. He wants the best for this country, he has seen first hand with his eyes for so many years of the death and destruction. He loves Somalia more than all of us. It doesnt matter who you support but stop and understand that this man wasn't able to accomplish as much due to circumstances.

I hope this election goes smooth, we must accept the final outcome whatever it is for Somalinimo and for our country and I would like to wish every single candidate the best of luck.

Somalia haa nolaato :som:
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Re: I CANNOT imagine Somalia under Shariif again !

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The`Republic wrote:Don't worry Mondey; that nightmare has no chance of taking place bro. :up: :som:
lets hope so bro :up: :som:
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Re: I CANNOT imagine Somalia under Shariif again !

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if shariif get's his whole abgaal clan behind him plus the raxanweyne votes plus other hawiyes like mudulood then I'm afraid he has it in the bag :win:
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Re: I CANNOT imagine Somalia under Shariif again !

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Cumar-Labasuul wrote:if shariif get's his whole abgaal clan behind him plus the raxanweyne votes plus other hawiyes like mudulood then I'm afraid he has it in the bag :win:
Abgaal has 9 votes all are not going to vote for him, if he is going to win the numbers will come from elsewhere.
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Re: I CANNOT imagine Somalia under Shariif again !

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greenday wrote:
Cumar-Labasuul wrote:if shariif get's his whole abgaal clan behind him plus the raxanweyne votes plus other hawiyes like mudulood then I'm afraid he has it in the bag :win:
Abgaal has 9 votes all are not going to vote for him, if he is going to win the numbers will come from elsewhere.
who else will they vote for, I think he has secured the raxanweyne and that is 61 votes plus he might secure some dir and other daroods like ogaden votes.
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Re: I CANNOT imagine Somalia under Shariif again !

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greenday wrote:Its just how humans think, people like to know your xuman rather than your samaan.
We need to be more reasonable. Support whoever you want but be reasonable.
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Re: I CANNOT imagine Somalia under Shariif again !

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Cumar, kow whoever they like but if they were going to vote based on being Abgaal, niman kalaa mesha lajoogo :|
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Re: I CANNOT imagine Somalia under Shariif again !

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Cumar-Labasuul wrote:
who else will they vote for, I think he has secured the raxanweyne and that is 61 votes plus he might secure some dir and other daroods like ogaden votes.
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another abgaal that has 150 mps in the bag
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Re: I CANNOT imagine Somalia under Shariif again !

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InvisibleHand

Your wrong, if Sharif doesn't win he will be known as one of Somalia's favorite presidents. Because he has left Al Shayadeen to help his country. He has helped bring the country where it is today which makes it easier for the next person who comes into power. People honestly have nothing against him personally, we just don't like qof naga badta and we've seen what he has done, we just want more of it but in faster paste.
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Re: I CANNOT imagine Somalia under Shariif again !

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Afgaduud should not be re-elected.
Iam sick of this 24hour dalxiis towards undiscovered destinations.


Really tired of dalxiis and cheese.

We need patriotic sons like prof.Samatar :up:
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Re: I CANNOT imagine Somalia under Shariif again !

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Does anyone know any alliances/partnerships made by the candidates when one of them doesnt make it to the final round?

TeAmo, he was with UIC, not Shabab. But I respect your opinion :up:
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Re: I CANNOT imagine Somalia under Shariif again !

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Invisiblehand, I agree with your sentiment and have supported Sh. Shariif for the same reasons, but you have to admit that the guy has lost his bearing in the final hours of his presidency by naming qabiil districts for purely political reasoning, using the national broadcasting for his personal use, and the most damned darned thing of all renting a $200,000/day several times a month. Don't tell me this is out of his depth and he can't control that.
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Re: I CANNOT imagine Somalia under Shariif again !

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Sagaashan wrote:Invisiblehand, I agree with your sentiment and have supported Sh. Shariif for the same reasons, but you have to admit that the guy has lost his bearing in the final hours of his presidency by naming qabiil districts for purely political reasoning, using the national broadcasting for his personal use, and the most damned darned thing of all renting a $200,000/day several times a month. Don't tell me this is out of his depth and he can't control that.
Yes of course he has his faults and wrongs which is why I have candidates that I support before Sharif. But I am talking about the lack of any development that has been occurring in Somalia... that is not his fault. If anything, Sharif is as new as a candidate as any of the others. Shabab is practically finished. If elected, Somalis can finally see what he is capable of doing.
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