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bareento wrote:How come there is no islamic school of thought to condemn slavery
Most will call u kaafir...on the ground that u want to make haram wat god made halal

B.

Slavery is haram in Islam. Always was. Just because some corrupt Arab slavemasters practiced it extensively throughout the centuries doesn't make it halal. They were engaging in haram oppression of which they will be held accountable in the hereafter.

What was temporarily and conditionally allowed and no longer is, is the POW-type of slavery, and that was only because everybody was enslaving POWs back then. As that's no longer the case, even the slavery of POWs is, in effect, not allowed.

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^^ Make your case instead of rolling your eyes like a dhoocil. Plenty of evidence to support my position.

jahliga iska bixi: POW only was allowed due to practical realities of that era, and even that is no longer applicable today.

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What was temporarily and conditionally allowed and no longer is, is the POW-type of slavery, and that was only because everybody was enslaving POWs back then. As that's no longer the case, even the slavery of POWs is, in effect, not allowed.

Leftist I'd like to see your evidence for this.

According to most interpretations of Islamic law, one who engages in Jihad can kill a man, loot his property, have "non consensual carnal relations" with the dead man's wife, and sell his children into slavery.

This was practiced quite extensively during the Prophet's lifetime. Anybody who argues otherwise is clearly an innovator who has made haram what Allah has made Xalaal.

Leftist wrote: Slavery is haram in Islam. .

Slavery is not Haram in Islam.. you can clearly read the QURAN AND sharia About AWMAA MALAKAT AYMAANKUM.. QURAN and hadiith allows you to have sex whit your slaves and even sell them and buy them.. there are lot of hadiiths talking about how to sell your slaves---- in islam even in court of law humans are not equel. humans are divided two parts Slave and freeman.. if free man kills a slave the punishment is not as same if free man killls another free man...

Colonel,

Short on time now, but will do later.

Based & Ditoore,

There isn't much benefit in holding a discussion if you refuse to reason(qiyaas) and instead rely on error-filled istintaaj ("It is the Sunnah to ride a camel, therefore every muslim must ride a camel and anyone who argues against it is a innovater/kaafir"); much of the wisdom and grace behind specific sharia laws and practices eludes you and will continue to elude you as long as you have this failed approach.

Quick point: King Faisal(AUN) outlawed/forbid slavery. Since he has forbid/outlawed what (in your view) Allah has made halal, is he a kaafir/innovator?

Give this important issue the respect it deserves and do some in-depth research including consulting original source texts, as opposed to the superficial shallow understanding that you're displaying here, then maybe we can have a discussion.

Leftist wrote:Colonel,

Short on time now, but will do later.

Based & Ditoore,

There isn't much benefit in holding a discussion if you refuse to reason(qiyaas) and instead rely on error-filled istintaaj ("It is the Sunnah to ride a camel, therefore every muslim must ride a camel and anyone who argues against it is a innovater/kaafir"); much of the wisdom and grace behind specific sharia laws and practices eludes you and will continue to elude you as long as you have this failed approach.

Quick point: King Faisal(AUN) outlawed/forbid slavery. Since he has forbid/outlawed what (in your view) Allah has made halal, is he a kaafir/innovator?

Give this important issue the respect it deserves and do some in-depth research including consulting original source texts, as opposed to the superficial shallow understanding that you're displaying here, then maybe we can have a discussion.

The Qur'an and Hadith are as original as sources get, my friend. Both clearly accept and regulate the institution of slavery. Your strawman argument holds little weight when the Qur'an and the Sunnah explicitly state that slavery is a natural consequence of refusing Islam in times of Jihad.

Yes, King Faisal is clearly an innovator and yes, modern day interpretations of this institution, influenced no doubt by the West's abolitionist movement and subsequent colonialism, amount to little more than bid'ah. Trying to retroactively abrogate parts of Islam that you deem incompatible with the modern age seems to be at odds with God's claims of Islam being perfected in the 7th century, unless you are also of the opinion that Islam needs a modern day facelift like my dear friend Union.

Based wrote:According to most interpretations of Islamic law, one who engages in Jihad can kill a man, loot his property, have "non consensual carnal relations" with the dead man's wife, and sell his children into slavery.

This was practiced quite extensively during the Prophet's lifetime. Anybody who argues otherwise is clearly an innovator who has made haram what Allah has made Xalaal.

That slavery is the same POW's which leftist was speaking of.

Leftist initially argued that slavery was never allowed in Islam and then argued that only POW slavery was allowed in lieu of genocide, but is now also outlawed.

The only difference between this and pre-Islamic slavery was the method of acquiring slaves.

Anyway, let me digress for a moment. Let's look at this entire idea of Islamic slavery somehow being superior to other forms of enslavement. An enemy declares holy war on you, threatens total annihilation and/or slavery if you don't convert to their religion, attacks when you refuse, kills you, enslaves your family, rapes the shit out of your female relatives, and then forcibly converts your people to their religion.

Honestly, what type of shit is that?

Based wrote:Leftist initially argued that slavery was never allowed in Islam and then argued that only POW slavery was allowed in lieu of genocide, but is now also outlawed.

The only difference between this and pre-Islamic slavery was the method of acquiring slaves.

Anyway, let me digress for a moment. Let's look at this entire idea of Islamic slavery somehow being superior to other forms of enslavement. An enemy declares holy war on you, threatens total annihilation and/or slavery if you don't convert to their religion, attacks when you refuse, kills you, enslaves your family, rapes the shit out of your female relatives, and then forcibly converts your people to their religion.

Honestly, what type of shit is that?

Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said, "He who sets free a Muslim slave, Allah will deliver from the fire of Hell every limb of his body in return for every limb of the slave's body, even his private parts.''
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

Cumar-Labasuul wrote:Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said, "He who sets free a Muslim slave, Allah will deliver from the fire of Hell every limb of his body in return for every limb of the slave's body, even his private parts.''
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

What about this hadiith

Prophet (saw) said, "Allah has forbidden the Paradise to three people: the alcoholic, the runaway slave, and the one who is complacent in the face of the evil deeds that his family is performing" (Sahih al-Jami # 3047)

in islam is major sin that the slave to run away from Hes master

all religion INCLUDING Islam, christianty and Judeism. Slavery is allowed and they see nothing wrong humans owning eachother other... you can even have SLAVE CHILDEN....