Shia V Sunni (who are the ahlu nabii)?

[MidriGeez]

[. you are telling me if a muslim came and tells you this koran is corrupt and their imams have the same quality as allah swt while cursing the sahaba and aisha RA you would still call them on the path of islam???? very strange indeed. Allah swt said that the koran would never be corrupted and he is the only god with god powers no one beside him and aisha ra being a good person but u would take the muslim unity against the word of allah swt. Strange indeed, i would believe allah swt word anyday over muslim unity even if i was the last person on earth. Stuff muslim unity of we are going to compromise on the koran and islam, NO DEAL MATE.

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sxb thats pure proboganda against Shias... Shias does not believe Quran is corrupted or either they believe there are missing verses of the Quran.. Shias have identical Quran which Sunnis use whichs 114 Surah or 6666 verses of quran.. there is no A Singel verse which shias Quran differs than the Quran you and i know and Sunnis Use...


actually its Sunnis who believe quran is not complete.. forexample Sunnis believe according sunni hadiith there was verse send down by allah and some how that verse did not made in the quran we have today!! and yes that verse is so called STONING VERSE( rajm verse)... yes thats sunni salafi believe that some how ALLAHS WORD QURAN have missing verse called Rajm verse which did made in 6666 verses of the quran... and not only that Sunnis believe the verse about adult breastfeeding also was send down and aisha rc said a Goat eat it the papper which the verse was written down.. agains thats Sunnis who believe those verses did not made in the Quran.....

Firstly read their books which is like their main books then judge, read ba7eer al anwar or their hadiths of al kufi which is like bukari or muslim in sunna, you will see in the hadiths that they believe the koran is not the real one and their imams is infallaible with corrupt powers, don't take the religion from a shia because he lies and uses taqiya take it from their books, if we apply the same method to sunni muslims then we can easily say all muslims are terrorist and drink alcohol. you bypass the indvidual and look at their books which is the base of their faith.

Astgfurallah where are you getting the info about the sunni beliefs that the koran is corupt??? All sunni whether salafi,sufi etc believe the koran is 100% and nothing is missing from it, where are you getting this from???? who ever belives that the koran is not 100% then he/she disbelieved in what Mohammed pbuh has brought to us.

[MidriGeez]

If iran attacks saudia arabia i will be on the side of saudia arabia, hell i might go and join the war. But iran won't be foolish, a war with KSA is a war with pakistan and pakistan is much much stronger than iran, pakistan has nukes not only that they have the advance radar system on fighter jets which means in few days the skies over iran would be controlled by pakistan air force, they make their own weapons mainly with funds from saudia arabia like the kahlid 3 tanks, pakistan was voted the best army in 2010 based on tacticians and co-ordination with the british coming second. Leaving america/nato/russia/china A war Iran VS ksa and iran would get their ass kicked. It would be iran+hezbillah VS KSA+EGYPT+TURKEY+PAKISTAN + 80 MUSLIM COUNTRIES If we count that some countries would be neutrilsed from joining because of america/russia pressure. That is why the arabs are not scared not only they have the numbers they also pakistan who do you think funded pakistan to create nuclear weapons?? KSA THAT WAS WHO. I rather be dead than see the holy site under shia control the first thing they would do is go to omar/abubakr and osman graves and take their bones out and burn it.

By the way do you know what was KSA message to america about iran nuclear program??? if iran becomes a nuclear weapon capable country they would buy some stock pile of pakistan nuclear weapons to match the threat, why do you think isreal is panicking and wants iran not to have a nuclear weapons??? mainly because if iran gets it then KSA WOULD get it ready the next day and they can't say anything about it, but if they stopped iran then KSA won't have the excuse.

Of course Hezbollah can't match the jews in an out and out war but they did manage to humiliate them in the eyes of the world.

Why do you think all Muslim countries would join a war between KSA vs Iran? As long as Hijaz is left alone I couldn't care less what happens in Najd. Besides it's not as if Muslim armies could make a difference except Pakistan. Turkey is part of NATO so they don't count.

Shias are very peacefull muslims.. the only weard thing that shias Do if are hitting thei chest and banging their heads

Hizbollah fooled the world by claiming to humiliate the jews until the after math of the war was revealed, they didn't win politically or morally, they just killed tens of isreali soldiers, 0.5-1 million unexploded clustered bombs in south lebanon go and see how many kids are losing their limps to this day, or farmers can't farm because of the bombs filling their fields. if this is the price of winning in their eyes then another few battles like these and hizbollah would be finished.

All muslim countries would join KSA because of the OIC which is the islamic league mandate making the protection of the holy sites in KSA PROTECTED against external attacks, they kicked out iran out of the league because they started to talk sh*t about KSA, i don't know if their membership has been reinstated though.

ok lets say for the sake of the argument Turkey is out because of nato, who do you think would win between Pakistan+KSA+All arabs Militarily + the rest of islamic countries 70+ like indonesia/malaysia/bangladesh etc aiding VS Iran +Hizbillah???? Manpower for Jihad is almost 1.7 Billion Sunni VS 100 Million Shia??? we all know Sunni have the heart to fight when it comes to Jihad look at the afghani's for example. who do you think would win????

[MidriGeez]

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lol bro im just a muslim dont believe in sunni and shia.

Yes i also believe a Singel ISLAM.. actually before wahabism spread to islamic world from 1970s .. before that Islam was a singel religion-- SHIA AND SUNNI did not existed.... this sect wahabism thanks to saudi oil money they spread their hate and divition among muslims ... and first time word shias was heard in Somalia was 1979.... So i believe Islam should be One.. no sunni and no shias.... as long as you believe prophet mohamed sc is the prophet and god is one and quran is 114 suras and 6666 verses then your 100% muslim.... and yes SHIAS believe that...

So if someone believed that its one koran and the prophet Mohammed pbuh is the messanger and uses magic/se7er is he a muslim too???

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Firstly read their books which is like their main books then judge, read ba7eer al anwar or their hadiths of al kufi which is like bukari or muslim in sunna, you will see in the hadiths that they believe the koran is not the real one and their imams is infallaible with corrupt powers, don't take the religion from a shia because he lies and uses taqiya take it from their books, if we apply the same method to sunni muslims then we can easily say all muslims are terrorist and drink alcohol. you bypass the indvidual and look at their books which is the base of their faith.

you said Shias corrupted the Quran?? show me the evidance that Shias have different Quran than Sunnis?? Quran which Shias uses is 100% identical the Quran which Sunnis use... QURAN kitaab printed in Tehran Iran and Quran kitaab printed in MADINA saudi arabia IS 100% identical .. About Shias hadiith which claimes Quran is incomplete or there are mIssing verses, yes that can be trues but SUnnis believes also there are Missing verses in the quran like as i said RAJM VERSE which Sunnis claime accoding hadiith umar bin khadaab heard it and was presens when the Stoning verse was send down and some how that verse did not made in the quran we have today..


here i present you Evidance that Sunnis believes QURAN is incomplete and there are missing verses which did not made in the quran ACCORDING SUNNI SAHIIH HADIITHS..

Sahih Muslim

Muslim in the Seventh ( 7th ) part of his Sahih, in the book of Al
Zakat about the virtue of being satisfied with what ever God gives
about urging people to have that virtue, pp 139-140 (Arabic),
reported that Abu al-Aswad reported that his father said :

*(For English version of Sahih Muslim see)*
*(Chapter CCCXCI, p500, Tradition #2286)*

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Abu Musa al-Ashari invited the Quran readers of Basra. Three
hundred ( 300 ) readers responded to his invitation. He told
them

You are the readers and the choice of the People of
Basra. Recite the Quran and don't neglect it. Other
wise a long time may elapse and your hearts will ne
hardened as the hearts of those who came before you
were hardened.

We used to read a Chapter from the Quran similar to
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Bara'ah in length and seriousness, but I forgot it.
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I can remember from the Chapter only the following
words :[/b]
Should a son of Adam own two valleys full of wealth, he should
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seek a third valley and nothing would fill Ibn Adam's abdomen
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
but the soil.
^^^^^^^^^^^^

We also used to read a chapter similiar to the Musabbihat and I
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forgot it. I only remember out of it the following:

"Oh you who believe, why do you say what you do not do? (which is
now in another place in Quran 61:2) Thus a testimony shall be
written on your necks and you will be questioned about it on the
day of judgment." (which is a little different than what is in
another place in Quran 17:13)

YOU SEE according sahih Muslims there are chapters in the quran which were forgetten and are missing....

here agains Sahih Bukhari which OMAR bin kathab rc hearded a Stoning verse and that verse did not made in the quran we have today..

Sahih al-Bukhari
================
Al-Bukhari recorded in his Sahih, v8, pp 209-210, that
Ibn Abbas reported that Umar Ibn al-Khattab said the following in
a discourse which he delivered during the last years of the caliphate.

*(For Arabic-English version of Sahih al-Bukhari see 8.817:)*

When Umar performed his last Hajj, he said:
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Certainly Allah sent Muhammad with the truth and revealed
him the Book. One of the revelations which came to him
was the verse of stoning. We read it and understood it.

The Messenger of God stoned and we stoned after him. I am
concerned that if time goes on, some one may say ' By God
we do not find the verse of stoning in the Book of God ';
thus, the Muslims will deviate by neglecting a commandment
the Almighty revealed.

if you dont believe me listen Saudi educated wahaabi shekh UMAL about this missing verse of stoning!!

and this is alleged rajm verse which sunnis salafis claime was send down.. read it close it does not even look like quran...


marka midgrees.. waxaa la yiri don't throw stones if your house made glass your accusing Shias something which Sunnis was doing houndred of years which trying to add the quran new verses....(corruption)

[Hyperactive]

Political disagreement that stupid people turned to " aqeedah issue" Instead being follower be a learner and learn differences between human disagreement and alaqaaid. Being Shia or sunnah won't make me saved one.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

where is the midgreeez!! show us Shia hadiith which claimes that Quran is incompelete or there are Missing chapters or verses of the quran or verses which did not made in the quran we have today as Sunni hadiiths claime!!!

[ZubeirAwal]

Doctoore sxb quranka has no error or missing verses, it is 100% complete, and has remained unchanged from the lifetime of rasulalah (saw) till today, it is guarded by Allah, until judgement day, so iska ilaali waxas.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

abuubkar YOU GET IT ALL WRONG.. ITS NOT ME WHO said quran is incomplete, ,.. i believe 100% quran is pure and complete..... listen this question about wather quran is corrupted come when midgreez accussed Shias and their hadiith believe quran is incompelete and i show thats not tur and its actually SUNNIS from sahih muslim to sahih bukhari who believe there are missing or forgetten chapters and verses of the quran which are missing.. and presented Sahih Muslim and sahih bukhari who claimes there are missing chapters of the quran.. and missing RAJM stoning verse so why accuse the shias when sunnis themselfs believe there are missing quran verses...

[Wadhafiyoshimbiro]

Salaam to you all, a new gang member joined here.
If I try to take part in this interesting debate, I would suggest there is nothing big difference between Sunni Shia and they are all muslims. Islam propagate for five basic pillars of Islam and six obligatory ones, in which every Muslim must be abided by to become Muslim, and they are as follows:
1. Believing Allah but no other deity
2. Mohamed is his messenger
3. Doing the five prayers
4. Fasting in Ramadan month
5. Going to hajj if one affords.

The other six are:
. Believing in Allah
2. Believing in the existce of angels
3. Believing in all Allah's books including the old ones
4. Believing in all prophets and messengers
5. Believing in thereafter or day of judgement
6. Believing in events and incidents that they happen with power of Allah wether good or bad and every one must acknowledge then.
6.

[MidriGeez]

Firstly read their books which is like their main books then judge, read ba7eer al anwar or their hadiths of al kufi which is like bukari or muslim in sunna, you will see in the hadiths that they believe the koran is not the real one and their imams is infallaible with corrupt powers, don't take the religion from a shia because he lies and uses taqiya take it from their books, if we apply the same method to sunni muslims then we can easily say all muslims are terrorist and drink alcohol. you bypass the indvidual and look at their books which is the base of their faith.

you said Shias corrupted the Quran?? show me the evidance that Shias have different Quran than Sunnis?? Quran which Shias uses is 100% identical the Quran which Sunnis use... QURAN kitaab printed in Tehran Iran and Quran kitaab printed in MADINA saudi arabia IS 100% identical .. About Shias hadiith which claimes Quran is incomplete or there are mIssing verses, yes that can be trues but SUnnis believes also there are Missing verses in the quran like as i said RAJM VERSE which Sunnis claime accoding hadiith umar bin khadaab heard it and was presens when the Stoning verse was send down and some how that verse did not made in the quran we have today..


here i present you Evidance that Sunnis believes QURAN is incomplete and there are missing verses which did not made in the quran ACCORDING SUNNI SAHIIH HADIITHS..

Sahih Muslim

Muslim in the Seventh ( 7th ) part of his Sahih, in the book of Al
Zakat about the virtue of being satisfied with what ever God gives
about urging people to have that virtue, pp 139-140 (Arabic),
reported that Abu al-Aswad reported that his father said :

*(For English version of Sahih Muslim see)*
*(Chapter CCCXCI, p500, Tradition #2286)*

============
Abu Musa al-Ashari invited the Quran readers of Basra. Three
hundred ( 300 ) readers responded to his invitation. He told
them

You are the readers and the choice of the People of
Basra. Recite the Quran and don't neglect it. Other
wise a long time may elapse and your hearts will ne
hardened as the hearts of those who came before you
were hardened.

We used to read a Chapter from the Quran similar to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Bara'ah in length and seriousness, but I forgot it.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I can remember from the Chapter only the following
words :[/b]
Should a son of Adam own two valleys full of wealth, he should
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
seek a third valley and nothing would fill Ibn Adam's abdomen
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
but the soil.
^^^^^^^^^^^^

We also used to read a chapter similiar to the Musabbihat and I
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
forgot it. I only remember out of it the following:

"Oh you who believe, why do you say what you do not do? (which is
now in another place in Quran 61:2) Thus a testimony shall be
written on your necks and you will be questioned about it on the
day of judgment." (which is a little different than what is in
another place in Quran 17:13)

YOU SEE according sahih Muslims there are chapters in the quran which were forgetten and are missing....

here agains Sahih Bukhari which OMAR bin kathab rc hearded a Stoning verse and that verse did not made in the quran we have today..

Sahih al-Bukhari
================
Al-Bukhari recorded in his Sahih, v8, pp 209-210, that
Ibn Abbas reported that Umar Ibn al-Khattab said the following in
a discourse which he delivered during the last years of the caliphate.

*(For Arabic-English version of Sahih al-Bukhari see 8.817:)*

When Umar performed his last Hajj, he said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Certainly Allah sent Muhammad with the truth and revealed
him the Book. One of the revelations which came to him
was the verse of stoning. We read it and understood it.

The Messenger of God stoned and we stoned after him. I am
concerned that if time goes on, some one may say ' By God
we do not find the verse of stoning in the Book of God ';
thus, the Muslims will deviate by neglecting a commandment
the Almighty revealed.

if you dont believe me listen Saudi educated wahaabi shekh UMAL about this missing verse of stoning!!

and this is alleged rajm verse which sunnis salafis claime was send down.. read it close it does not even look like quran...


marka midgrees.. waxaa la yiri don't throw stones if your house made glass your accusing Shias something which Sunnis was doing houndred of years which trying to add the quran new verses....(corruption)

lol waryaa seriously stop trolling, go and read Be7ar al anwar and shia books including Kylani then talk, and where did you get this hadith from???? i can't find it in the among the authentic hadiths??? did you googe hadith+Koran+corrupt??? This hadith is false/weak waryaa. even Ibn Bukhari said it, it doesn't have something called "Isnaad" which someone like you would never understand how hadiths works, you just paste and copy that is all, The problem with you is you copy and paste without even understanding the rules and credibility of any hadith you put, this is why its easy for anyone to make you believe anything.

You don't even know anything about shia you just trolling, If the shia believe in the koran then they have to believe in everything sunni believe, but they can't because it contradict their basic believes, then again if you know anything about shia you wouldn't argue that point, This is way too complex for you waryaa leave it alone you don't even speak arabic to unerstand the linguistic complication of this subject.

[MidriGeez]

abuubkar YOU GET IT ALL WRONG.. ITS NOT ME WHO said quran is incomplete, ,.. i believe 100% quran is pure and complete..... listen this question about wather quran is corrupted come when midgreez accussed Shias and their hadiith believe quran is incompelete and i show thats not tur and its actually SUNNIS from sahih muslim to sahih bukhari who believe there are missing or forgetten chapters and verses of the quran which are missing.. and presented Sahih Muslim and sahih bukhari who claimes there are missing chapters of the quran.. and missing RAJM stoning verse so why accuse the shias when sunnis themselfs believe there are missing quran verses...

Again you got a hadith with No isnad, isnad is what makes a hadith "True" Buckari RA said that 97% of his hadiths are weak or probarly false, only 3% is True and the 3% hadith have isnad, if a hadith don't have isnad then its weak or false hadith. simple. there are 5 stages of a hadith to become authentic and isnad is one of them, if one out of the 5 criteria is not met then the hadith is not authentic. well there is a hadith that says blacks are cursed race by allah swt, are you going to believe that??? many hadiths were forged specially by yahud, because allah swt promised to protect the koran not the hadiths, so by the criteria of authnetic hadith filter you can easily find out which one was true and which one looked made up.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Those are muslim and bukhari hadiiths!! Sunnis consider bukhari and muslim hadiiths as saxiix.
Midgrees if you want i can listen to you wahabi sheeikh umal talking about missing rajm verse. So its sunis who wanna corrup the quran more than shias. Sunnis are worst.

[Oba]

lol yalaxoow midrigeez is a habesh

[MidriGeez]

Those are muslim and bukhari hadiiths!! Sunnis consider bukhari and muslim hadiiths as saxiix.
Midgrees if you want i can listen to you wahabi sheeikh umal talking about missing rajm verse. So its sunis who wanna corrup the quran more than shias. Sunnis are worst.

Sunni consider 3% of Bukhari and Muslims hadith sahih, not all of them. there are many who are fake or weak waryaa, do you understand that if you read a shaih bkhari or muslim it doesn't mean its correct unless you prove its sahih. so if someone today bring you a hdith by muslim by the same narrators from an approved sahih hadith it wouldn't hold water unless it passes all other category including "isnad", they say that if the same criteria to make a hadith sahih was applied to all history events and books written today it would all be weak or suspicious not sahih, this is how tough it is to make a hadith authentic. I don't listen to a wahabi shiekh i read myself and most books are from Sunni sources. Sunni are the protectors of the koran.

[MidriGeez]

Salaam to you all, a new gang member joined here.
If I try to take part in this interesting debate, I would suggest there is nothing big difference between Sunni Shia and they are all muslims. Islam propagate for five basic pillars of Islam and six obligatory ones, in which every Muslim must be abided by to become Muslim, and they are as follows:
1. Believing Allah but no other deity
2. Mohamed is his messenger
3. Doing the five prayers
4. Fasting in Ramadan month
5. Going to hajj if one affords.

The other six are:
. Believing in Allah
2. Believing in the existce of angels
3. Believing in all Allah's books including the old ones
4. Believing in all prophets and messengers
5. Believing in thereafter or day of judgement
6. Believing in events and incidents that they happen with power of Allah wether good or bad and every one must acknowledge then.
6.

Shia shahada and pillars are different to those above.