Genuine question - Why do you want Somaliland to separate?

[SultanOrder]

I once came across a video maybe 5-6 years ago with Edna Adan giving a tour of her hospital. She stopped at one patient and was explaining to the camera/journalist that the patient needs a specialist doctor from outside of the country .They were struggling in finding a specialist willing to come Somaliland because people assume its Somalia.

I think recognition could save lives and improve the lives of people. Without recognition there are less opportunities in Somaliland. Less investments, less economic growth, less development. Etc

I think I saw that and it made me want Somaliland to be separate so that it could get the instant help it needs. But I doubt that is the case. Most third world countries have hard time finding specialists, and they are not attached to Somalia. The truth is that poverty is the real reason why we have a hard time bringing in specialists for most of the world let alone Somaliland. Also, separating from Somalia won't create instant prosperity. Why doesn't Ethiopia, Eritrea, Kenya, and how many countries around the world have international development to get them out of poverty?

[HusseinHassan]

It's already seperate, just not recognized. And it will probably stay that way. Just a status quo. Mogadishu on the other hand, will hopefully become more and more peaceful. I know it hurts many landers that a peaceful Mogadishu will forever seal their fate as part of a Somalia as the International Community will have no reason to deem Sland independence worthy of recognition. But tis life.

[ToughGong]

Newb here.

Can someone tell me why Somalilanders want Somaliland to separate? What is the root of this sentiment and how will it benefit Somalilanders/Somalis?

We don't want to be a part of a failed State

[FarhanYare]

ORANGE=FAILED STATE=SOMALIA

[SimplySerene]

I think I saw that and it made me want Somaliland to be separate so that it could get the instant help it needs. But I doubt that is the case. Most third world countries have hard time finding specialists, and they are not attached to Somalia. The truth is that poverty is the real reason why we have a hard time bringing in specialists for most of the world let alone Somaliland. Also, separating from Somalia won't create instant prosperity. Why doesn't Ethiopia, Eritrea, Kenya, and how many countries around the world have international development to get them out of poverty?

Poverty does deter specialists but I still believe being associated with Somalia puts Somaliland at even a larger disadvantage. Being associated with ALshabab, pirates, assassinations etc scares away potential opportunities for Somaliland. It scares away specialists, investors, and others .

Somaliland has good track record with peace, elections etc. Recognition would open more doors

[SultanOrder]

I agree that shabab and instability are counter productive and bad publicity. But then again, those same issues have also brought international attention to Somalia in the form of more aid. Right now somaliland is benefiting from EU aid because of Somalia. As a matter of fact almost all attention paid to somaliland in the form of aid has been because of being part of Somalia. So again things are not black and white.

[SimplySerene]

I agree that shabab and instability are counter productive and bad publicity. But then again, those same issues have also brought international attention to Somalia in the form of more aid. Right now somaliland is benefiting from EU aid because of Somalia. As a matter of fact almost all attention paid to somaliland in the form of aid has been because of being part of Somalia. So again things are not black and white.

Aid = cancer
Aid seems to be detrimental

[SultanOrder]

Depends on how use it. If you have aid but lacking in human Capitol then you will not go far. But if you have the human capital, then you can resurrect your country like Germany and Japan. But since we lack human capital, and we don't have the resources to produce them, aid is crucial to building the institutions that produce them.

If somaliland was independent, it would have to go into debt to build the country as international investors needa reason to invest, and a country of a few million provide very little prospects. Bottom line is that recognition doesn't change much except a feel good hope that things will get better if it comes.

[gurey25]

Depends on how use it. If you have aid but lacking in human Capitol then you will not go far. But if you have the human capital, then you can resurrect your country like Germany and Japan. But since we lack human capital, and we don't have the resources to produce them, aid is crucial to building the institutions that produce them.

If somaliland was independent, it would have to go into debt to build the country as international investors needa reason to invest, and a country of a few million provide very little prospects. Bottom line is that recognition doesn't change much except a feel good hope that things will get better if it comes.

but unity offere no economic advanatges its not somalia is doing better, and there is next to zero trade between us, our economies are not linked.
Infact due to mismanagement and increase in corruption (if that is even possible), unity will be devastating for the economy.

so why do you keep talking about this unity..
where is the advantage?

[Lillaahiya]

Depends on how use it. If you have aid but lacking in human Capitol then you will not go far. But if you have the human capital, then you can resurrect your country like Germany and Japan. But since we lack human capital, and we don't have the resources to produce them, aid is crucial to building the institutions that produce them.

If somaliland was independent, it would have to go into debt to build the country as international investors needa reason to invest, and a country of a few million provide very little prospects. Bottom line is that recognition doesn't change much except a feel good hope that things will get better if it comes.

Aid always come with a cost and you even provide a perfect example: till this day, Japan is legally forbidden to have national army or marine. This was a condition that was tied to receiving any aid from the US and UN. Yes, human capital is needed to utilize resources; however, aid often impacts or alters the receiving state's domestic and foreign policies. It's foolish to believe lending institutions or countries are benevolent and gain nothing but interest from the transaction.

OP: Because my parents do.

[SultanOrder]

Gurey Integration is the only way to go, it's the only way to succeed or else we will always be over powered by or larger neighbors. If we look at things like telecommunications and xawaala's, they function on both sides, considering those are our only non live stock industries we are pretty connected as sadly as that sounds. Next step is to have a united face to trading love stock so we can get better prices. Eventually we need to build roads so that Goods can travel from region to region. Basically what I am saying is that we have very little trade between us is because there is very little trade and the things that aren't hampered by roads and physical barriers already move freely in the region.

[SultanOrder]

Depends on how use it. If you have aid but lacking in human Capitol then you will not go far. But if you have the human capital, then you can resurrect your country like Germany and Japan. But since we lack human capital, and we don't have the resources to produce them, aid is crucial to building the institutions that produce them.

If somaliland was independent, it would have to go into debt to build the country as international investors needa reason to invest, and a country of a few million provide very little prospects. Bottom line is that recognition doesn't change much except a feel good hope that things will get better if it comes.

Aid always come with a cost and you even provide a perfect example: till this day, Japan is legally forbidden to have national army or marine. This was a condition that was tied to receiving any aid from the US and UN. Yes, human capital is needed to utilize resources; however, aid often impacts or alters the receiving state's domestic and foreign policies. It's foolish to believe lending institutions or countries are benevolent and gain nothing but interest from the transaction.

OP: Because my parents do.

You're right, but it's a long way from being a Japan and opting out of aid. But truth be told we have no choice. We don't have large populations to exploit for cheap labor, or a large domestic market. We have very little to attract foreign investment. Hell the only thing that would attract investors is the potential to geta piece of the aid money.

We have too many needs and not enough capital.

[Lillaahiya]

I thought you're a revolutionist like me

[SultanOrder]

No I think they are terrible for countries. Usually put wrong people with a bone to pick in power with terrible policies, or lead to prolonged instability with resources going to put them down.

[Lillaahiya]

*crosses name off list*