Somalia May Conference: Somaliland shortchanged by Silanyo

[mukke]

Mukke

Its not a question about what you want but the reality... until you guys can prove the Referendum you were promised then it looks like you are going back to the South... in may

Come on!!! Do U really believe that...!!!!

Det håber jeg for din egen skyld ellers hænger du dig selv..

[Tanker]

Hvor mange dage skal silanyo være i london? og hvornår kommer jeres aftale med UK offcialt? I lovede os i den her måned lool

[original dervish]

we will see who is surprised after the London conference.
All the nations of the world, through UN security council resolutions, have reaffirmed the territorial integrity of Rep of Somalia.

S/l has no backers anywhere in the world....Even Ethiopia, which wants to see Somalia broken up has refused to recognise S/L false claims to statehood.
So if you think you can change the worlds mind.......go ahead and make my day.

[mukke]

Hvor mange dage skal silanyo være i london? og hvornår kommer jeres aftale med UK offcialt? I lovede os i den her måned lool

Det er ikke i den her måned...du må forstå politik..... Somalia's præsident kan ikke uden videre udskrive folkeafstemning...han er nød til at ligge alle andre muligheder på bordet han skal ligne en mand der har kæmpet for Somalias og Somalilands union....der vil være flere møder og folk vil sige at forhandlingerne er brudt sammen....men så kommer den dag hvor det vil være officielt.....det kan være at hvis han skruer bissen på overfor Silanyo at de 2 lande skal "prøve og se" om de kan blive enige ligesom Sudan og Sydsudan (2005-2011)...hvor man skal fungere som et land i nogle par år....og efter det skal der være en folkeafstemning......

[Tanker]

Hold da op hvor kan man tage jer seriøst når I ændrer tiderne hele tiden....

hvorfor skulle præsident xasan give jer lov hvad kan I truer ham med?

[mukke]

Hold da op hvor kan man tage jer seriøst når I ændrer tiderne hele tiden....

hvorfor skulle præsident xasan give jer lov hvad kan I truer ham med?

Jeg har aldrig ændret tiden, sidste gang vi snakket om det sagde jeg at det kan vare op til nogle par år før vi når der hen...og hvem siger at man skal true...truet Scotland da England da de fik deres folkeafstemning i 2014.....jeg ved godt at den her tanke ikke har strejfet dig før, men tænk på hvis han gjord det når han ser at Somalia og Somaliland ikke vil komme nogle vegne(økonomisk udvikling, opbygning af sikkerhed etc) hvis de ikke går hver for sig..........du skal huske hvad han sagde...

Midnimo khasab maha

.. og ved at sige det brander han det...folk der har læst statskundskab og forstår politik og politiker ved at han med den udtagelse klaregør noget som vil komme i fremtiden.. den nye præsident er en rigtig politiker, hvis du ser tilbage på alle de præsidenter der har været der siden Carte i Djibouti er han meget anderledes...

[LondonLad]

I wanted mature discussion regarding this therefore Original Dervish and Tanker you're opinions are null and void since you're both clearly obsessed with seeing SL go to hell as proven by the way u jump on anything Somaliland related to spew your usual nonsense.
Id rather hear from the genuine unionists who can actually string a coherent argument together and my you two nobodies

[Tanker]

f-king retard dont blame silanyo for your silly project going down the true loser is you living among your colonizer and begging them for regonization of Issaqland

[SimplySerene]

Great topic.

It is laughable how much the Somaliland administration heels to UK demands. At the end of the day Somaliland's biggest enemy to its independence claims are not Somalia since President Hassan Sheikh is trying to fulfil his mandate which is to restore unity. Instead it is the British and their like who claim to support Somaliland but yet pressure the Somaliland government into accepting these outcomes. By extension the fault of this lays at the door of the SIlanyo administration and his toothless foreign ministry department. This is East Africa for goodness sake why won't Somaliland play dirty like other African states instead of clinging onto their "Democracy" and peace. End of the day if you want respect you earn it and you do not earn it by being another states' lackey (bitch).

Do you have any ideas on how Somaliland should "play dirty"?

[original dervish]

Londonlad

What you really mean is that your looking for non issaq who are willing to support secession.

[skywalker25]

Original Doqon, how is Las anood. Are they still singing calanyow ha dicin

[original dervish]

See you outside protesting the London conference

[BigBreak]

for those who claim somaliland is only for isaaq only, the reality states otherwise

las anod



borama

[LondonLad]

@simpleyserene playing dirty includes many different options.

Firstly, Somaliland is under no illusion to attend these Somalia conferences and as it is as clear as day this new Federal Govt will not accept anything short of Somaliland being reintegrated into a federal system ruled from Mogadishu.

Rather the Somaliland government should cancel these talks indefinately and if the UK do not like it then they should cut bilateral relations and focus on new, more prosperous relations with states such as; China, Indonesia, India or Latin American states. By showing that they are willing to stand their ground SL would gain much more respect for its position from the IC instead of accepting this "Creeping Federalism" which is clearly being imposed by the IC and the UK.

If you look at African governments which garner strong support from the US and UK it is no surprise to find many states that are oppressive with dictatorships such as; Algeria, Ethiopia, Djibouti and now Mali. However, these African states managed to "play dirty" and proved to the West that it is in their interests to support them militarily, economically etc. In turn the West have lept to these states' assistance despite the lack of any democratic credentials or reform. This is Africa and to get what you want in Africa you need to be able to play cut throat politics something this Silanyo administration does not understand.

When looking at the foreign policies of the Silanyo administration it is almost laughable how naive they are in that they expect the IC and the UK to respect SL because of its recent history of democracy and elections. Heck when will they understand these Western states pay lip service to this idea of elections and human rights at the end of the day if you can spark their interest by articulating why they should help and support you. Some African states such as' Algeria have even been found to have conducted "false flag" operations over the years which helped to secure them immense Western military, economic and logistical support. Maybe Somaliland should consider these drastic steps (ensuring no life is harmed obviously).

For example, Somaliland has to realize that whether it has democracy or dictatorship these so called Western, benevolent powers will never bestow upon Somaliland anything as it is not in their own personal interests.

Somaliland would be better placed to try and secure relationships whether economic or political with BRICS nations such as China and Brazil which are aching to get a firm foothold in East Africa and the Horn.

Instead this stupid foreign policy has meant that everything has been focused on US and UK approval. Do not get me wrong from an economic, developmental aspect Somaliland has made great strides under the Silanyo administration, however, when it comes to the foreign policy of Somaliland it has been aimless, disorganised at best.

[original dervish]

All the countries you`ve mentioned are beating a path to Mogadishu.
Furthermore, they have recognised the territorial integrity and unity of Somalia explicitly, through UN security council resolutions.

S/l has, during the last 20 years, exhausted every avenue to gain acceptance internationally.
Offers to the US to locate a military base in Berbera, overtures to Israel, fighting the "war on terror", to name but a few.
The only area where S/l has succeeded in attracting foreign engagement is limited NGO aid, and even that has been thrown into question recently.

S/l has nowhere else to go politically, except south to Mogadishu.