nactulah calayk Magic Johnson's son came out gay

[wiyeer]

@Basra

I didn't say homosexuality did not exist, I just took issue with the fact that you said some people are "born gay", which would imply that their "homosexual feelings" are natural and thus being punished for the act would be oppression. This is where they're arguments lead to. If someone is born with something like a certain skin colour, its immoral to discriminate against him based on this, because skin colour is natural, and so by arguing homosexuality is natural and gay people are born this way,they conveniently make the link with the civil rights movement. This allows them to justify their actions and get moral acceptance from the masses.

Don't fall into the trap of "Born gay" or "gay gene" rhetoric they spend a lifetime on. its fiction on a loop.

btw, what is macaanto? i'm a man.

[Yohannes]

@Basra

I didn't say homosexuality did not exist, I just took issue with the fact that you said some people are "born gay", which would imply that their "homosexual feelings" are natural and thus being punished for the act would be oppression. This is where they're arguments lead to. If someone is born with something like a certain skin colour, its immoral to discriminate against him based on this, because skin colour is natural, and so by arguing homosexuality is natural and gay people are born this way,they conveniently make the link with the civil rights movement. This allows them to justify their actions and get moral acceptance from the masses.

Don't fall into the trap of "Born gay" or "gay gene" rhetoric they spend a lifetime on. its fiction on a loop.

btw, what is macaanto? i'm a man.

If they are not born that way, then what happens, do they just get some wiswas from Satan and suddenly develop an attraction to the same gender? Cmon man.

[Basra-]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL@wiyeer


I must say I laughed so loud when I read :

"btw, what is macaanto? i'm a man"


It reminded me of a certain Marehaan I know.



Wiyeer-- YES I am saying gays were born gay. NO one chooses to be gay. Just like the example to used about people born black. Who wants to be discriminated? Its not easy to 'un-gay' yourself. My point is that gays are born gay, its inherent in them. That does not mean they are oppressed. The fact is-- Quran clearly tells us homosexuality is a sin. Therefore, if it is a sin, one should refrain from it-- just like adultery in heterosexual is a sin. ALlaah swt has a reason for creating gay people--- perhaps it is a testerment to an earthly test. Just like Alaah swt created blind people, deaf people, deformed people--- don't mean Allaaah swt is wrong --God forbid. YES, gay are born gay--and the proof of it--is in the gay toddlers who act girly or boyish.

[Basra-]

oh btw----macaanto wiyeer-----what does your name stand for?

[gurey25]

basra there are allot of perfectly normal children with a normal upbringing that have the unatural urge to kill,
they start with small animals and then progress to people as they it puberty.
its usually white males though..

so we do we embrace this natural trait?
they are born with it so why discrinimate

[Basra-]

gurey25


Great example! I think you and I, agree that homosexuality exists, that children are born gay just like these kids u mentioned are born to want to kill. That is why in my FIRST post, I emphatically said---gays should refrain from homo sex and remain celibate. I think we both agree that gays are born gay and that born gays should not engage in homosexual act. Do we agree so far?

[wiyeer]

@Basra

According to your logic, we can also say, Pedophilia and incest feelings are perfectly natural since people can be born with them.
heck, why stop there, just say all feelings are natural however evil,sadistic or irrational they may be.What makes incest abhorrent and homosexuality OK, provided you can be "born" with both feelings? You will observe this argument is flawed.

[Basra-]

Wiyeer@looooooooooooooooooool


U r sooooo cute Macaanto!


OK---Pedophilia is not the same as Homosexuality. Pedophilia usually involves only one willing partner, and the other is usually molested. U cant compare a criminal act with homosexuality. As to incest--as far as I am concerned it is a sin. Just like Homosexuality is a sin. Just like u--wiyeer commit zinnah of masturbation or God forbid adultery. Fahamtu??


My point is-- I do recognize homosexuality as a sin, but also I do recognize it is inherent and people are born with it. Homosexuality is NOT a 'feeling" it is a "BEING" just like being black is NOT a "FEELING" --it is a being. Wiyeer, macaanto--I think we are in a different universe. U refuse to accept my view and "I" refuse to accept your stubborn-ess or what I simply call ignoramus. Can we agree to disagree!

[GeoSeven]

Are you saying Allah creates people who are homosexual to begin with?

[Basra-]

Geo--hi there---welcome to our debate. (see u in the movies later )


No, am saying God does not create people the same. God created all humans differently.....

[GeoSeven]

Yes but the notion that a person is born gay implies that God has already planted homosexuality in a babe, cursing that human being to sexual abnormality from the get go.
I will make a movies thread.

[Basra-]

Geo

The same could be said about born blind or deaf or deformed. Its not God making mistake but God is all knowing and mysterious. God created gays to miss something-a gene, a screw, a something. Somalis have it right--they delicately call gays as ' Laagaroone" meaning there are MEN who are better than this one. Obviously, recognizing the shortcomings of gays, which is not by choice. No blind person would want to be blind if they had a choice ma ha?


PS Where is the movie thread?