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Re: Pres of Turkey-existing issues between the 2 African nat

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Siciid,

The guy sounds bitter in all his interviews from a recent video about the talks to press conferences in America to even on SomaliChaanel accusing a fair hawiye presenter of being pro Somaliland Live. I wouldn't be proud to have him represent me in any organization or mamul. Failed politician going around bad mouthing Somaliland every opportunity he finds. :down:
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Re: Pres of Turkey-existing issues between the 2 African nat

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gurey25 wrote:Saciid the outcome of these talks and these exact statements released was known months before.
I was only holding my breath because that damn fool bidaarley foriegn minister was there.
i was expecting him to drop the ball, but alxamdulilah there was a large group of more experienced people with him.

all in all it is a net gain for somaliland, we have solved the problem in 2 major areas.

1. khatumo: there was always a danger that the government would start funding them, today they are broke and are slowly melting away eventually re-integrating with somaliland. Even at its height last year their hit and run attacks were not that effective and their containment would have been sustainable.
for the past few months they have been broke and they have been inactive.
The only thing that would have re-ignited their khatumo project was a too aggressive somaliland response
and this would have involved the international community.
There is another reason why Somaliland troops are deployed in the area, it is to prevent retaliation from habar jeclo nomads
who need to be restrained by the government to prevent janjaweed action and a clan war.

2. Military aid: apart from a few bright spots somalilands military is utter crap, the only thing saving as is that all other armed forces in somalia are as bad as us or worse.
one of the bright spots is the 30 to 40 officers that went through Ethiopias harar military academy, and received 4 year and 2 year qualifications in officer training and engineering/medical disciplines.

these along with the other couple dozen still enrolled could be used as the base of a real modern armed force.
Somalia will take years to train people like them.
The danger is that in the african environment the training of NCO's(non-commisioned officers) is far more important and will deliver quick results. They are getting this right now from Turkey and Egypt.
just 2 years of intensive training focused on NCO's will mean that somalias armed forces will multiply in effectiveness and be able to present a threat to somaliland.
Somaliland getting its share of the training means that we don't miss out and the strategic equation remains the same.
The equipment received is a bonus but this training is the real threat and it has been resolved.


The talks will take time, but they will be resolved before the middle of next year.
Xabashis "training" somali forces. Yeah, that doesn't sound ridiculous at all. Somalis are fcking useless.
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Re: Pres of Turkey-existing issues between the 2 African nat

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abdi-ismail

the millitary academy at harar is pretty good, we are lucky to get our men trained there.
hopefully we can send them to turkey and egypt now as per the agreement made .

you should not underestimate good officers, this is what differentiates a militia from an army.
30 officers in only enough to lead 1000 men ideally we need hundreds more and it will take years.
it took somalia from 1950 to 1967 to train enough officers for its army.
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somaliland has won in this round.
1- the govt has legitimazed somaliland as a separate entity.
2- economically and military wise somaliland will get its share separately, i mean they will represent somaliland, they will arrive from somaliland out of the federal lands while all the federal somalis are one entity in this post-taransitional era.
In another words somaliland is not a federal yet its not independent from somalia legally they are in the crossroads.

who can invest in somaliland before getting independence if they are not cooperating in security and stability?
they have security and peace but things were not sorted out with somalia.

the somali government has gained less from this meeting, just like somaliland they will attract the turkish investments also the cooperation is a good banner if they cant get through hargeysa with it.


I knew hassan sheekhs political position toward somaliland but i was not expecting to reach some deal in this year but i think its because had a problem with some who stood in his way he advancing some already made policies.

the govt is looking for a new bases we have seen when the died body of the founder of the south westren somalia state Shaati gaduud arrived adan cadde airport they made for him a national day.

Yes somaliland can help they are controlling the north atleast.
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What an incoherent message. He went from Somaliland won to Shatiguduud's funeral.

Nothing came out of this of surprise, they don't seem like people who want their own country. This aid bull being said is no different from what has taken place for the past 22 years.

And what exactly does Puntland have to do with this, Puntland is part of the federal government of Somalia, Somaliland is not, it isn't a country either, simply an unrecognized territory with its own laws. A bit like an Indian reservation.
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Kafkaesque wrote:What an incoherent message. He went from Somaliland won to Shatiguduud's funeral.
No. Its you who have little horizon.
the govt was in a weak position and had a big apposition in these days so the president has started acting quickly in many fronts and selected the members of the delegation by himself.
The delegation were all from the south this made it easier for somaliland but if there were no opposition it might have been different.
I stated before the talks that somaliland is more engaging in the talks because with the time the govt may get strongger.
If the thiings get worse the govt may let them go to save the south.








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Re: Pres of Turkey-existing issues between the 2 African nat

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:whoa:

http://allafrica.com/stories/201304140182.html


"According to the source, the main reason for the meeting which was brokered by Turkey after the Somaliland government requested it, was to establish grounds for Turkish oil exploration in the contested regions of Somaliland.

Genel - a Turkish oil exploration and production company - has stake in five blocks in the contested regions of northern Somalia. The company shares stock with Australian Oil Company Jacka Resources and Petrosoma.

Some of the regions in which the oil exploration companies have bought stake in have been contested by Puntland and Somaliland and the local militia. Many residents of the regions have been very outspoken of the presence of the Somaliland military in the regions.

In January, the Somaliland government exchanged in clashes with local militia in Hudun, a town still not under the authority of the Somaliland government resulting in many Somaliland troops injured in the gunfight."
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Grant wrote::whoa:

http://allafrica.com/stories/201304140182.html


"According to the source, the main reason for the meeting which was brokered by Turkey after the Somaliland government requested it, was to establish grounds for Turkish oil exploration in the contested regions of Somaliland.

Genel - a Turkish oil exploration and production company - has stake in five blocks in the contested regions of northern Somalia. The company shares stock with Australian Oil Company Jacka Resources and Petrosoma.

Some of the regions in which the oil exploration companies have bought stake in have been contested by Puntland and Somaliland and the local militia. Many residents of the regions have been very outspoken of the presence of the Somaliland military in the regions.

In January, the Somaliland government exchanged in clashes with local militia in Hudun, a town still not under the authority of the Somaliland government resulting in many Somaliland troops injured in the gunfight."
The digging is happening in Caynaba and Oodweyne, the former is settled
by HJ and the latter by HY.

As if we'd dig Dhulbahanta lands :lol:

Research better next time when you're swallowing khaatufo propoganda
Then again somebody who believes Brigham Young was a prophet must be a tad gullible :lol:
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Re: Pres of Turkey-existing issues between the 2 African nat

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AK47,

It's clear all the ESL didn't do you much good. Learn to read and then consider what really happened in Ankara. The last time I checked Hudun was in the Nugaal block.
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grant

my old chap, xudun and all those other eastern sool/sanaag towns are our (Somalilands) property now. You can't cry a river for them, but we own it as of 2007.

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Re: Pres of Turkey-existing issues between the 2 African nat

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Grant wrote:AK47,

It's clear all the ESL didn't do you much good. Learn to read and then consider what really happened in Ankara. The last time I checked Hudun was in the Nugaal block.
Whether or not Xudun is in the Nugaal block I don't care.
You implied we are digging Dhulbahanta land, we are not.

Last time I checked this turkish company had a license for
oodweyne and caynaba. No amount of propoganda and "we are being
slaughtered by Isaaq for oil" is gonna change that.

However in the future God willing we may decide to dig
the Nugaal valley...if this comes, there ain't a thing you can do about it Mormon boy.

Maybe you can donate a 100 dollars so they can buy a few AK47s
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Re: Pres of Turkey-existing issues between the 2 African nat

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Grant your a two bit Darod propagandist who grew fat in afweyene Somalia. People like you have no space in today's Somalia. So you can keep cheerleading from your basement in Canada it won't change nothing. It should have sunk in by now the team u support has lost. Your time would be better spent moving on.

Sool and Sanaag will forever be in Isaaq hands.
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skywalker25 wrote:Grant your a two bit Darod propagandist who grew fat in afweyene Somalia. People like you have no space in today's Somalia. So you can keep cheerleading from your basement in Canada it won't change nothing. It should have sunk in by now the team u support has lost. Your time would be better spent moving on.

Sool and Sanaag will forever be in Isaaq hands.
He's a bloody cult member from Utah.
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Re: Pres of Turkey-existing issues between the 2 African nat

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Damnit don't tell me those pesky jeberti are using zeal diplomacy to oppose us now, case in point old man grant :whoa:
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Re: Pres of Turkey-existing issues between the 2 African nat

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The Xudun argument doesn't make sense. Genel energy has exploration rights to Oodweyne, Western Togdheer, Eastern Togdheer and Caynabo area.
None of those are settled by the Dhulbahante so they are not "contested" areas.

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http://www.genelenergy.com/operations/somaliland.aspx#
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