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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:08 am
by +chilli
[quote="DamallaXagare"]
He buried the disease of clannism and stipulated a severe penalty for whoever is caught favoring someone in favor of his clan. Eg. when i was really young, i was completely if all ignorant of classification of clans. They seemed insignificant to me until the break out of our tribal war that i came to its knowledge.
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Your kidding right...?
triblism is natural...this guy made it evil..Distinguished between tribes and clans and giving certain ones power over others…Good Lord who was the one who created the invisible walls between the 3 states in the horn of Africa now…
He did hide the agenda of qabil but only to stare power…
You know how Hitler brough up Germany from nothing with passion and power...well that evil magnetic dark hardship of power is his legacy
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:14 am
by Sir-Luggoyo
The reason TheLewd starts thread after thread about Siad Barre -a dead man bytheway - is the simple fact that he arrested his treasenous father and kept him in jail until his kinship literally begged Siad Barre to release him, only to be exiled. Marka TheLewd, we know where you are coming with the hostility you have been harboring for Siad Barre, and believe me it's understandable.
Siad Barre is the man who summoned Sheikh Ali Sufi (Raximahu-Allah) and asked to invent a Somali religion and discard the Arab religion (Islam), albeit sukking the petro-dollar from the side. Nevetheless, he left some remarkable historical marks in the land which any sensible man would give him credit for. That is human nature, we all have our own fallacies but look what is happening to beautiful country he left behind, it just happened as he predicted, he called the Moryans "Yeey". In the Somali story folks, Yeey is an animal that strips the flesh from the bone in one lick and that is exactly what the Moryans did to beautiful Somalia, they likked once, and there was no more. So cut the old dude some slack
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:46 am
by The Law26
[quote="Sir-Luggoyo"]The reason TheLewd starts thread after thread about Siad Barre -a dead man bytheway - is the simple fact that he arrested his treasenous father and kept him in jail until his kinship literally begged Siad Barre to release him, only to be exiled. Marka TheLewd, we know where you are coming with the hostility you have been harboring for Siad Barre, and believe me it's understandable.
Siad Barre is the man who summoned Sheikh Ali Sufi (Raximahu-Allah) and asked to invent a Somali religion and discard the Arab religion (Islam), albeit sukking the petro-dollar from the side. Nevetheless, he left some remarkable historical marks in the land which any sensible man would give him credit for. That is human nature, we all have our own fallacies but look what is happening to beautiful country he left behind, it just happened as he predicted, he called the Moryans "Yeey". In the Somali story folks, Yeey is an animal that strips the flesh from the bone in one lick and that is exactly what the Moryans did to beautiful Somalia, they likked once, and there was no more. So cut the old dude some slack[/quote]
Luggooyyo
So far you exceeded my expectations. You are accussing Afweeyne and that other Sheikh committing shirk, in your own words by; "inventing a Somali religion and discard(ed) Islam". Next time you make those sorts of allegations, remember to never use me as a shield. If it is true, then it is part of his legacy. This man is an integral to Somalia's modern history. Other people do discuss the legacies of their leaders, and that is why I brought this up, but not on condition of that imaginative bio that you constructed for me. I asked a simple question, and you exploded a bomb. Can you eleborate the "Somali religion" that Afweyne invented?
DamallaXagare
Although you raised some positive points, and others contend it, let us hear how they disect your points. I understood the points you raised and thanks for that. What do you think of the explossive allegation that Luggooyyo raised? Just ignore the haters and gossip writers.
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:58 am
by Sir-Luggoyo
[quote="Sir-Luggoyo"]
Siad Barre is the man who summoned Sheikh Ali Sufi (Raximahu-Allah) and asked to invent a Somali religion and discard the Arab religion (Islam),
[quote="The Law26"]
So far you exceeded my expectations. You are accussing Afweeyne and that other Sheikh committing shirk, in your own words by; "inventing a Somali religion and discard(ed) Islam".
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TheLewd,

Sometimes anticipation blinds you and you trot beside the statement. Read I wrote, then check how you misconstrued the statement and simply gave it a totally different meaning. I never said Sheikh Cali Sufi fall for the idea, we all know how religious he was and we can see it from his progeny, that is the legacy the Sheikh left. And I am not trying to defame Siad Barre by fabricating this allegations, actually I got it from reliable sources close to the Sheikh.
But really, admit it, the only reason you always bring his name about is, what he did your father, right

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:00 am
by optimist_1
Its a shame he died in Africa

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They should have rocketed him to Pluto. How the fuck could he kill Majerteen then Isaaq then Hawiye.
May he rest in peace after his punishment but thats with him and Allah.
Latest stuff i read about him they broke into his house in Nigeria.

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:49 am
by dhuusa_deer
Siade Barre was criminal and murderer. May he rot in hell, if it exists. The only good somali leader post coloniasm was Somalia's first President who voluntarily stepped down -- something unheard of in Africa.
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:56 am
by optimist_1
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:58 am
by dhuusa_deer
Optimist,
God loves athiest, in case you didn't know.
Gotta run...my next lecture in 5 minute...see y'all on Fiday. Peace.

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 10:24 am
by kambuli
Siyaad Barre dhimey!
Waa laga raystey! Bal arag nimcada iyo horumarka aynu dhex dabaalaneyno. Dib ayuu inoo dhigey. Waana ina laayey.
Sidii aynu iskaga xoreyney Siyaad ma qof baa inaga dhintey oo la inaga diley? Maya maya. Dadkii waa siman yihiin. Nabad, barwaaqo iyo bashbahs.
Sharaf iyo cisi waxaa inoogu horreyey markii aan is xoreyney. Adduunkii maanta ayeynu ku leenahay magac iyo sumcad.
Alleylehe waa laga raystey Siyaad iyo noociisa. OO maxaynu waa hore isu xoreyn weyney. Waxan oo nimco ah miyuu inaga hor joogey

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:13 pm
by kambuli
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:15 pm
by xoogSADE14
mooryaans what do you guys know of anything

for phucks sake you were all still in the bushes way after Maj. Gen. Siyad Barre left xamar for his native Gedo
The Law before you can come in here and try to act all innocent first learn how to be objective
Gay trotter when you made that gay a.ss comment were you hoping that i get pissed and start cussing at you

homo this is the net and you can say and feel whatever you want but in reality....... well that a whole different story
AW last i remember mooryaans never participated in Gov't up until the the Great Generel took over the gov't

mise DACASka aad ka dhalatay maalinkii eey magaalo soo galeen inaan kaaga soo sheekeeyo baad rabtaa

how about Abdullahi caddow's daughter and Amb. Abdulahi Mohamed Siyad Barre

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:26 pm
by QansaGabeyle
loooooool@ Kambuli, waa runtaa saaxib waa laga rayste Siyaad Bare. Nimcadaan ku jirno arag. Sumcad iyo magac dad leh ayaan nahay hada.
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:32 pm
by xoogSADE14
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:06 pm
by The Law26
Xoogsade
I'm trying to be objective as best as I can be, and till now, I'm reading what others are writing to make a final assessment of my own. Siyad Barre doesn't belong to clan history, but he is part and parcel of Somali history. That is why we are discussing his legacy.
My second point is that Luggooyyo raised a troubling issue which he accused (read it and don't shy away) that Afweeyne attempted (and has implied to have succeeded) to write what he termed a "Somali religion".
And he thinks that his evidence is solid as a rock, and let me qoute him for you;
"And I am not trying to defame Siad Barre by fabricating this allegations, actually I got it from reliable sources close to the Sheikh."
Did he write, or attempted to write a "Somali religion"? Any ideas? Your silence only indicates that you agree with him.
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:24 pm
by Mad_Dog206
Alaha ha u naxariisto Aabahii Garashada, Badbaadiyaha Qaranka, Difaaca Dalka, Halyaygii Ummada, Deeqsiigii Dadka, Xoogheeyay Guud ee Xisbiga Hanti-wadaaga Kacaanka Soomaaliyeed, Major General Madaxweyne Jaale Maxamed Siyaad Barre. Alaha ha u naxariisto.

RIP Jaale.