Somalia has a bigger chance to disintegrate than Ethiopia

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Re: Somalia has a bigger chance to disintegrate than Ethiopi

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Titanium wrote:It is not in Muqdisho's interest to recognize Somaliland. It is in our interest if you control the entire former British Somaliland but at the same time stay unrecognized. We don't want the Khatuumo and Maakhir folk whatsoever. We don't want to hear them and their cries. We don't want to see them dancing in desperation with the Somalia flag tied around their waists. We want them under your command. But I don't want you to get recognition at all. I want you in political limbo. So I am friend and enemy at the same time. I want you to be a country within a country. This is in the best interest of my people.
I understand but them being part of SL has little or no influence on Mogadishu even if they join you which is unlikely they will be just there to support anti Mogadishu elements in the long run they are no use to you. By the way we control 90% of the former British Somaliland protectorate , this maakhir you keep talking about is 3% of the SL population :lol: Do not worry about them at all we have them under our control. even the last 10 % we loosely control vassal state When ssc made peace with the SL government , everything that buhoodle consumes comes from berbera clothes food oil everything. But what do you get from a country with in a country some where down the line whether its now or in a few years time we must negotiate on an official separation. Unless there is something Mogadishu wants from Somaliland but i doubt this is the reason why it took so long 21 years to talk , because there was no govt in Somalia.
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Re: Somalia has a bigger chance to disintegrate than Ethiopi

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Titanium wrote:It is not in Muqdisho's interest to recognize Somaliland. It is in MY interest if you control the entire former British Somaliland but at the same time stay unrecognized. I don't want the Khatuumo and Maakhir folk whatsoever. I don't want to hear them and their cries. I don't want to see them dancing in desperation with the Somalia flag tied around their waists. I want them under your command. But I don't want you to get recognition at all. I want you in political limbo. So I am friend and enemy at the same time. I want you to be a country within a country. This is in the best interest of mine.

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Why I want Somaliland to be a country within a country? I don't want Khatuumo and Maakhir to find a way to slip away and stay with Somalia if you guys get recognition. They are like 15% of Somaliland. We don't want even 1% of them. The more of them away from us, the better.

They may not have a big influence in Xamar but why give them a voice at all?

We want nothing from Somaliland but only you control your entire former colonial borders and to share the same economic and defence policy for obvious reasons. We don't even want your resources.

What difference does it make for you if you don't get recognition? Act like a country. No one is stopping you. Go meet Cameron in his office. We don't mind. You can stay being a country without recognition. We are doing you a favor. You dont need IMF loans.
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Re: Somalia has a bigger chance to disintegrate than Ethiopi

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superlander wrote:^ xaasidnimo my friend since a recognized somaliland is no threat to u guys and we can avoid having an eritrea/ethiopia grudge style relationship

Ethiopia Eritrea relations is more complex than Somalia and Somaliland. Eritreans had a good relations with the Amhara kings from 1100 until Imam Axmed guray invaded highland Ethiopia in the 16 century. And they had their own kingdom. When the Eritrean King was defeated by the Amhara King . The Amhara king appointed Tigrayan nobles to Eritrea and they subjugated the Eritreans though the Tigrigna speakers in eritrea and Ethiopia speak the same language but tribally they hate each other. until the Italians came the Eritreans were ruled by Tigrayan lords for centuries. basically Italian colonialism freed the Eritreans from tigrayan rule. So Eritreans hate Tigrayens for their history before italian colonialism and they hate amharas for haile Selassie and Mengistu.

Somalia and Somaliland relations is different we were never one country before 1960 before 1960 , the isaaq had a long wars with the daaroods never with the hawiyes. Whether its in Ethiopia or in nugaal region.So there is huge distrust between isaaq and darood , and very deep seated hatred . We got to know the hawiyes really well with the Union and they were very friendly although they never wanted to share power with us in the early 60s. Isaaq and the habrgedir and sacad were our allies before colonialism. We were new to the Hawiye politics we didn't understand their political culture the darood understood them particularly majeerteen, we never understood their politics because we did not know them that well. Although there were no bad blood between hawiye and isaaq ever. The hawiye pilots refused to bomb hargeysa when afweyne ordered to fight against isaaq. The only issue with hawiye is they are fixated with the Somalinimo for us Somalinimo means Somalidhimo . Union destroyed both SL and Somalia. During the xabashi invasion of Mogadishu, many isaaq turned into terrorsts and joined the muqawaamo to fight against the xabashis. And Hawiyes refugees were welcomed with open arms in Somaliland. So there is no bad blood or animosity between us. Only a political difference on how we view the future of the region
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Re: Somalia has a bigger chance to disintegrate than Ethiopi

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Khalid Ali,

We will recognize you in private behind closed doors. But when the white man is next to us, we will say they are part of Somalia. It is our little secret. The white man doesn't have to know about what we agreed upon. This is the best solution for you. That is even better than what you have now. Isn't it?
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Re: Somalia has a bigger chance to disintegrate than Ethiopi

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The federal constitution includes the federal states controlling their resources....guess what`s offshore J/Land.
Keep your hiv ngo money....you probably need it more than us cuz. :mrgreen:
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Re: Somalia has a bigger chance to disintegrate than Ethiopi

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Titanium wrote:Why I want Somaliland to be a country within a country? I don't want Khatuumo and Maakhir to find a way to slip away and stay with Somalia if you guys get recognition. They are like 15% of Somaliland. We don't want even 1% of them. The more of them away from us, the better.

They may not have a big influence in Xamar but why give them a voice at all?

We want nothing from Somaliland but only you control your entire former colonial borders and to share the same economic and defence policy for obvious reasons. We don't even want your resources.

What difference does it make for you if you don't get recognition? Act like a country. No one is stopping you. Go meet Cameron in his office. We don't mind. You can stay being a country without recognition. We are doing you a favor. You dont need IMF loans.
Why than not just hold a UN supervised referendum they are gone i am sure 90% of SL population will vote fore separation, u dont want them near you right we can make that happen , but we should bless the agreement. They cannot slip into Somalia as long as the Hawiyes dont come with sub clan self determination than u will have maybe 2 districts part of you. the vast majority wants to be with SL though but maybe some do not want it. Really Somaliland has no problem with Mogadishu , the only problem is the disagreement on the future relationship. There is no hatred there is no animosity no Hawiye ever killed an isaaq person do not believe what these snet kids write on these boards. We can still have the same defense policy heck even the same currency if you want , most Somalilanders just want their sovreingty they have that but the world to accept it to. But every Somalilanders want Hawiye to rule Somalia for ever and that they honer the power of 3. I dont think we would go to the IMF but why do u care if we go to IMF its not like we would ask you to pay off the debts loool funny guy. Ur not per say against Somaliland but ur not for it to , bit indifferent , as i always expected from hawiyes :up:
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Re: Somalia has a bigger chance to disintegrate than Ethiopi

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best solution for hawiyes if their so into somalinimo

somaliland. somalia djibouti ethiopia eritrea and another couple can be separate nations but be part of an eu style union with four freedoms, that way u dont feel like a foreigner even if officially u are kkkk
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Re: Somalia has a bigger chance to disintegrate than Ethiopi

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Unfortunately Somalia has already disintegrated.
With somalidiid gooni goosad group in the north, cagdheer fufu slaves in the farsouth and punanis in the bari.
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Re: Somalia has a bigger chance to disintegrate than Ethiopi

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Titanium wrote:Khalid Ali,

We will recognize you in private behind closed doors. But when the white man is next to us, we will say they are part of Somalia. It is our little secret. The white man doesn't have to know about what we agreed upon. This is the best solution for you. That is even better than what you have now. Isn't it?

I dont have problem with that aslong as it is a temporarily solution we need to though work it out in the long term to officially amicably make the divorce happen white man does not care whether we stay together or separate really. Also we must share the military aid for now as agreed in ankara agreement. Our problem is not really with you but some elements with in your country we cannot breath the same air as them, i hope you understand.
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Re: Somalia has a bigger chance to disintegrate than Ethiopi

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HutuKing01 wrote:Unfortunately Somalia has already disintegrated.
With somalidiid gooni goosad group in the north, cagdheer fufu slaves in the farsouth and punanis in the bari.

Imam you are the best :clap: :clap:
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Re: Somalia has a bigger chance to disintegrate than Ethiopi

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original dervish wrote:The federal constitution includes the federal states controlling their resources....guess what`s offshore J/Land.
Keep your hiv ngo money....you probably need it more than us cuz. :mrgreen:
:lol: :lol: They pretty much aware of it, hence why they are behaving like a husband and wife.

"Colna ma ahan nabadna ma aham" comes to mind. . :dead:
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:lol: :lol:
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Khalid Ali and superlander,

We don't care about Somalinimo. Just because we want you unrecognized doesn't mean we care for Somalinimo. We don't. But you don't need a seat in the UN. The only recognition you need is Muqdisho's. We won't claim you in domestic politics. I am for Somaliland as a country. I am for Somaliland recognition. But only in the eyes of Mogadishu. Not according to anyone else. Only reason why you really need recognition is for things like IMF loans and nonsense like that. You recognize yourselves and Mogadishu will recognize you and you can get EU delegations to Hargeisa and you can go to them in Brussels like you do right now. The only reason why I am against Somaliland worldwide recognition is because I am afraid it will be a lose-lose situation for Mogadishu. Mogadishu must also win. You say you can do what we want but I don't think it can happen which is why it's best you control that whole region but no recognition. It will satisfy our concerns and also give you more power and freedom that you have now. This is a fair compromise. Also I think this is what is going to happen. There will be a middle solution. Not our extreme position and not your extreme position. Neither of us will get what we fully want but we will both be somewhat pleased.
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Re: Somalia has a bigger chance to disintegrate than Ethiopi

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Original Dervish :lol: :lol: ,

In 70s sidey u wada dhaqmi jireen aye weli u dhaqmayaan, isma ogala ismana diidana,..waa candho candho baratey.. :deadrose:
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