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hargaysaay wrote:The Ikhwan are nothing more than big bearded westerns stooges in suits , you don't have to make them saints . everyone knows their
role and their attempted backstabbing when Jamal Abdilnasr was facing the Zionists .

If anyone did backstabbing it was Abdelnasir who stabbed them in the back, after they pretty much defeated the king for him, and he repaid them by throwing them in jail.

Yea throwing them in jail is what any statesman beside Abdinasir would do when he finds out their conspiracy .
if they are any good just look at Tunis and how they messed it up , going as far as assassinating any prominent challenger .

Yes, Abdelnasir the great statesman he was as useless as the Soviets he depended on for everything. How the hell do you lose a war in 6 days

Islamic movements needs to stay out of politics until they have masterred one or two things about governing. Theory is very very different than practice.

After what happened in Algeria some 20 years ago, and recently in Egypt, I don't see Islamic movements trying to gain power through democracy. Afterall, secularists (including monarchies) come to power through force.

AbuQatada wrote:

AbdiWahab252 wrote:Its a bad move. Morsi is a moderate compared to those outlier Salafists who believe in restoring a Salafi run Caliphate. They will revert to armed warfare rather than in political discourse through the political system.

Its always healthy to have your opposition in the system and pushing their agenda through it rather than having them operate outside the system where there are no rules.

Abdiwahab "Moderate Secularist" Ahmed

Abdiwahab Salafis supported the coup, the Al-Nour party lauded the military for removing the Ikhwaanis from power, little do they know that the secularists show indifference to Ikhwani, Salafi and will arrest anyone with a long beard and flowing thowbe.

wow a sign of maturity, the clouds of naivety are clearing perhaps?

Al-NOUR for some reason has been following the saudi line.
the salafis, the ikhwan none of them seem to be interested in challenging the west.

hope not but then in the reality , the terminology of religion government cannot be practically clickable where societies different in simplest " الاحكام الدينية" such, in divorce, marriage, sunan and the exchange goods! tell me one religion government after mo'awiyah until today? none.

so the ikhwan and others will bring us what salaf couldn't brought to us?


ps; this topics very hot in every long beard society gathering! my take is clear. these people are great opposition, can really be strong among youths as spiritual speakers and hope keepers. if you ever heard mursi's speech, you cannot mistake him as political man but as some one put it " رجل المعركة، ويوجه المقاتلين يقاتلون حتى الموت" .

i say enough is enough, educate the youth and society as general and fight the corruption with in first before you sale and buy in the name of the islam.

Very glad to see you back, Sir.

Thank you Mr Grant. glad you still well and kicking. moved yet to 3rd world for your retirement?

In the process. We have a house and business in the Philippines, but will travel back and forth for a while.

What are you up to? I heard you got married.

lol no marriage for me any time soon. im broke and the future is not clear yet and what i want to do. im more confused than ive ever been in my life. let me figure out what i want to first.

so your wife is Filippino? if not why you choice Philipinne?

Wlc bak sheik hyper how was ur trip to ethiopa ? Where did u stay in Dirdawa or jigjiga wat did u think of da sufis in ethiopa ?

Yes. She inherited her mother's house and we have added to it. We have a huge built-in extended family and a pleasant life there except for the heat. I am still unable to sleep without air conditioning.

It's a somewhat strange place. Muslim Badjao people from the Jolo area in the Southern Philippines have recently moved nearby and built a mosque. We hear the athan five times a day, and the ringing of the cathedral bell also five times. The local Catholicism has many remnant elements of Tagalog tradition. Women take their kids to a shaman for a fever.....

Let's not completely sidetrack this thread. I didn't see the other one you started until later. I will post a picture of the (very poor) mosque in another thread and we can discuss the Philippines there.

Grant wrote:Yes. She inherited her mother's house and we have added to it. We have a huge built-in extended family and a pleasant life there except for the heat. I am still unable to sleep without air conditioning.

It's a somewhat strange place. Muslim Badjao people from the Jolo area in the Southern Philippines have recently moved nearby and built a mosque. We hear the athan five times a day, and the ringing of the cathedral bell also five times. The local Catholicism has many remnant elements of Tagalog tradition. Women take their kids to a shaman for a fever.....

Let's not completely sidetrack this thread. I didn't see the other one you started until later. I will post a picture of the (very poor) mosque in another thread and we can discuss the Philippines there.

Interesting. I believe the sounding of church bells five times a day is a remnant of the Philippines' Islamic past? I was reading up about this country recently, I couldn't believe that Islam was the first monotheistic religion in the Philippines. A nation of 95 million lost to us for ever.

Grant houses became expensive der $50,000 for jus 2bedroom my friend is married to 1 of them his kids look natives not even somali lol