Return to Mogadishu: Remembering Black Hawk Down trailer..

[AbdiWahab252]

Warsheek,

Abti, the reality is that if HG lost the war against Beesha Galbeedka that you lot would have massacred every one of us: man, woman and child.

[AbdiWahab252]

My awoowe could never be at anytime be considers any kind of aidiidist except an anti-aidiidist, but he grabbed his gun and took part out of somalinimo.

Again, it was not for Aidid but for survival. Awowega simply stood for his convictions. Your awowe's fate along with many of your abtiiyaal in Xamar were tied ot the HG. If HG were liquidated, he would also suffer the same fate.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

Warsheek,

Abti, the reality is that if HG lost the war against Beesha Galbeedka that you lot would have massacred every one of us: man, woman and child.

same fate for abgaal if they would've lost when aideed together with the entire hawiye,ogaden,rahanwein attacked abgaal from beriga iyo badda.

[Based]

20 years wasted. if them hutus had let the Americans/Pakis restore law and order, that part of somalia would be in a better shape now. now you got bantu soldiers raping women & girls. I am sure Americans/Paki soldiers would not be interested in doing what them bantu soldiers are doing to your reer. and the warlord they were looking for got shot 2yrs later.

This X 1000.

Bullshit bravado aside, what was the f-king point of it all man? 22 years and counting of absolute f-king bullshit

[AbdiWahab252]

Warsheek,

Abti, the reality is that if HG lost the war against Beesha Galbeedka that you lot would have massacred every one of us: man, woman and child.

same fate for abgaal if they would've lost when aideed together with the entire hawiye,ogaden,rahanwein attacked abgaal from beriga iyo badda.

Maxamed Dhere (AUN) would have disagreed with you. He was with Caydiid.

20 years wasted. if them hutus had let the Americans/Pakis restore law and order, that part of somalia would be in a better shape now. now you got bantu soldiers raping women & girls. I am sure Americans/Paki soldiers would not be interested in doing what them bantu soldiers are doing to your reer. and the warlord they were looking for got shot 2yrs later.

This X 1000.

Bullshit bravado aside, what was the f-king point of it all man? 22 years and counting of absolute f-king bullshit

Who brought these foreign scum to Somalia in the first place ? A strong Jeberti lobby alongside Ali Mahdi. If these foreign scum stayed out, our civil war would have concluded by the end of 93.

[GeoSeven]

Perfect order,

It was a 99.9% HG effort. A few OG were there for moral support and were hardcore Aididists but nothing significant. On that day, every able bodied HG male was fighting.

LOL ok xiinow only HG fought the US

True. Your adeeryaal were doing mashaxaro and cheering loudly when the AC-130 gunships were pounding HG sections of Xamar. Thank goodness for the Italians who were ordered by the great Pope John Paul to avoid fighting the HG and so helped keep your adeeryaal from joining the fight against HG.

Xawadle were informants for UNOSOM II. Murusade were also informants. The Xawadle got to a point that after October 3, they thought that HG were weak and started massacring HG in Beletweyne until Halyeey Caato went to town on them.

Murusade weren't informants. Neither were Xawaadle, they were the most neutral group trying to make Aidiid and Ali Mahdi come to a damn compromise. Stop inventing stories, Xawaadle went medieval on HG in B/Weyne after you started to lay the bodies of their dead in Xamar at Tarabuunka for HG sightseeing (who the hell does that shit man). The only reason Caato had the audacity to press an attack on B/Weyne was because the SNA was formed. An unholy alliance of SPM, SDM, USC and ilaahay knows how many other factions under the leadership of Sacad leaving only Abgaal and Xawaadle as stand alones in the South.

[Based]

Ah yes, Aideed would have magically agreed to not go ham on all of his allies a few months after they helped overthrow a supposedly brutal dictator. It was definitely the UN that caused the mass slaughter of civilians, rampant rape, and looting of food aid. Aideed would have gone on to be the President and everything would have went swimmingly had the pesky UN not intervened to try to stop the whole anarchy thing.

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[Gabre]

The sole survivor of one of the US Army Black Hawk helicopters shot down by Somali militiamen in Mogadishu in 1993 says the deaths of 18 of his comrades should not have prompted the end of the military mission to restore order.

Pilot Michael Durant told Radio 4's Broadcasting House that today's famine can be traced back to that decision to withdraw.

from 2011 famine in Somalia, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14447698

[Bermooda]

GI people don't know this but after Barre was ousted from Mogadishu the reer Hawiye with the most weapons/tanks were Murusade but somehow Aideed convinced them to give him the weapons in order to finish the guy off only for him to come back and use it against them

[AbdiWahab252]

Ah yes, Aideed would have magically agreed to not go ham on all of his allies a few months after they helped overthrow a supposedly brutal dictator. It was definitely the UN that caused the mass slaughter of civilians, rampant rape, and looting of food aid. Aideed would have gone on to be the President and everything would have went swimmingly had the pesky UN not intervened to try to stop the whole anarchy thing.

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What did the UN intervention accomplish besides prolonging the conflict for another decade ? What was gained from the foreign intervention by Ethiopia and Bush ? What was gained by the establishment of viceroys in Mogadishu ?


GeoSeven,

The Xawadle were informants and had an ax to grind. Its just the way it was. The massacre of Beletweyne crossed the line. Caydiid was opposed to Caato's intervention even though the majority of HG refused to stand idle as HG civilians were being hacked and mutiliated. As for the Murusade, they too were sympathetic to the UN. Either way, they did not favor a strong Hiiraab outcome be it Abgaal or HG. They were key in prolonging the Mahdi Caydiid conflict.

Gabre,

Durant forgets to mention that his July 12 operation which massacred all of Caydiid's HG opponents was the greatest contributing factor to swing power in Caydiid's favor. If those men were not massacred by Durant & Co, they most likely would have removed Caydiid.

[hargaysaay]

Horta guushu way sheegasho badantahay. I can´t blame anyone claiming to be part of the Black hawk Down battle. After all it was U.S special forces who lost to brave HG soldiers.
But no, it was only HG (including adeeer Duduble) who fought bravely against the UNISOM forces. Marka raali ahaadaa, you wish to be among those who defended our country from invaders, but you didn´t. All because of HG hate.

jamal

Iska aamuus You don't know nothing. I shouldn't be talking to you. Your adeers were giving their sons to pedophile Belgian soldiers to be fucked, because of fear of Maxamed Faarax Caydiid AUN, you coward jeberti scum !

A guy who shot down one of the Helicopters was Jareer . so maybe a force comprising not just HG was in action here . hmmm

[hargaysaay]

Durant forgets to mention that his July 12 operation which massacred all of Caydiid's HG opponents was the greatest contributing factor to swing power in Caydiid's favor. If those men were not massacred by Durant & Co, they most likely would have removed Caydiid

Who were those man AW . are they the ones that got bombed while having a conference in Olympic Building or something and Caydiid just left that building
Moments before it got hit . and why were they against him politically .

[Gabre]

Relevant and very interesting thread viewtopic.php?f=18&t=26248

[GeoSeven]

Ah yes, Aideed would have magically agreed to not go ham on all of his allies a few months after they helped overthrow a supposedly brutal dictator. It was definitely the UN that caused the mass slaughter of civilians, rampant rape, and looting of food aid. Aideed would have gone on to be the President and everything would have went swimmingly had the pesky UN not intervened to try to stop the whole anarchy thing.

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GeoSeven,

The Xawadle were informants and had an ax to grind. Its just the way it was. The massacre of Beletweyne crossed the line. Caydiid was opposed to Caato's intervention even though the majority of HG refused to stand idle as HG civilians were being hacked and mutiliated. As for the Murusade, they too were sympathetic to the UN. Either way, they did not favor a strong Hiiraab outcome be it Abgaal or HG. They were key in prolonging the Mahdi Caydiid conflict.

So Hawaadle were informants because they had an axe to grind but Abgaal was not because they had no problems with Aidiid
Any HG killings in Hawaadle areas was a response to Hawaadle killings in HG areas of Xamar. Lets be honest, Xawaadle were neutral in the intra Hiraab fighting and that's common knowledge. HG wanted the little colonies Hawaadle created for themselves outside of Hiiraan and all the territories under Hawaadle control in Xamar which included the most prized port and airport. Hawaadle was relaxed and busy trying to broker an honest cease-fire between two brothers while one of them was planning their complete destruction. Sacad set off a cycle of Intra Hawiye warfare that lasted close to 20 years Abdiwahab, you guys introduced cut throat politics from your MJ neighbors to the other HG subclans and the rest of Hawiye

[AbdiWahab252]

Durant forgets to mention that his July 12 operation which massacred all of Caydiid's HG opponents was the greatest contributing factor to swing power in Caydiid's favor. If those men were not massacred by Durant & Co, they most likely would have removed Caydiid

Who were those man AW . are they the ones that got bombed while having a conference in Olympic Building or something and Caydiid just left that building
Moments before it got hit . and why were they against him politically .

THe ones bombed @ ABdi Qeybdiid's house in July 1993. These represented the odeeyal of the HG who were searching for a peaceful resolution. Caydiid warned them not to meet in one location as they would be targeted but they brushed him off.