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Re: James Dahl so gal

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:39 pm
by James Dahl
Corruption is a cancer that eats away at the heart of any government. When you have cancer you don't just ignore the cancer, and the people telling you that you have cancer aren't the ones who are making you sick. You have to cut the cancer out so the rest of the body can live.

SomaliDefenceCouncil, you and the founder of Marqaati both have the same goals and support the same man, but while looking for enemies you see only al-Shabaab and those critical of the government, but the far greater danger lies not from without but from within. I am not a spy, but al-Shabaab spies are within the government. I am not enabling al-Shabaab but corrupt policemen and military officials are. A government is a fragile thing, it exists because people believe it exists and support it, that support needs trust and faith. One corrupt minister does more damage than a thousand Shabaab, without even firing a shot.

Re: James Dahl so gal

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:44 pm
by Arabman
Jamesoow, no one (individuals, organizations, corporations, governments, etc) does something for free. So, what's in it for you?

Re: James Dahl so gal

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:29 pm
by SomaliDefenceCouncil
James Dahl wrote:Corruption is a cancer that eats away at the heart of any government. When you have cancer you don't just ignore the cancer, and the people telling you that you have cancer aren't the ones who are making you sick. You have to cut the cancer out so the rest of the body can live.

SomaliDefenceCouncil, you and the founder of Marqaati both have the same goals and support the same man, but while looking for enemies you see only al-Shabaab and those critical of the government, but the far greater danger lies not from without but from within. I am not a spy, but al-Shabaab spies are within the government. I am not enabling al-Shabaab but corrupt policemen and military officials are. A government is a fragile thing, it exists because people believe it exists and support it, that support needs trust and faith. One corrupt minister does more damage than a thousand Shabaab, without even firing a shot.
James Dahl your putting in a lot of good strong arguments and I really like it.

To best tackle a potential threat from corruption the president of Somalia has presented a brilliant solution which best answers all the concerns that you have so articulately presented. The president said that Somali institutions (need more funding) first need to be put to work and tested and only then can we know and locate, if and where leaks exist.

For a example for a mechanic to test a leaking engine, he first needs to pour fuel into it and then switch on the engine to test for any leaks, and if their are any leaks it would easily show and be repaired.

Corruption is a cancer that eats away at the heart of any government. so Somalia with this administration is committed towards fighting corruption the same way we are committed towards fighting terrorism.

Nobody is above the law, be it a Somali soldier, police or civil servant, all are absolutely answerable to the law and will face justice if they have been convicted by a court law.

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The Somali military on Thursday executed three government soldiers convicted of murder,


Abbas Omar Kathiir, 26, and Abdullahi Omar Kathiir, 28, were found guilty of killing civilians Hassan Dhagole and Mohamed Farah Nur.

The third solider allegedly killed another soldier in Mogadishu's Wadajir district, according to UN-funded Bar-Kulan. His name was not released.

The executions were carried out early in the morning by firing squad at the General Kahiye Police Training Academy. Several high ranking police and military officials, including military court chairman Hassan Mohamed Hussein, and members of the public witnessed the executions
I wouldn't agree that Marqaati represents myself and Somalia's interest because the organisation is at the moment very secretive and faceless. We have no names and so therefore we do not know who's really behind this organisation. I would urge the people behind Marqaati to please present their identities/ backgrounds so that the organisation can become:

- More open and transparent.
- Gain the trust of the public.
- Help dispel conspiracy theories towards its existence and purpose.
- Help harness more support.


I would urge the people behind Marqaati to please please please present any incriminating evidence to the Somali police so that individuals found to be breaking the law could be brought before a court of law.


The best solution towards combating corruption is by providing more and better financial support towards Somalia institutions, so that the system could be put to work to help check, find and end the risk's of corruption.

Re: James Dahl so gal

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:58 am
by Grant
Arabman,

That sounds like a confession.


SDC,

You're setting up a chicken and egg situation. If you read the report you know that at the present time the police and soldiers are part of the problem. The country needs a replacement for the SEMG in order to find the leaks in that engine for itself. This is a good start. With additional investment and time the police, etc. will fall into line and what you are talking about can happen; but until then, the government stands no chance'.

I like the idea anyone can point fingers anonymously on Marqaati's site. The group can then investigate and bring media or appropriate governmental attention to any leaky engines. The important thing is that their allegations are seen to be accurate. The group itself can control this by being certain the allegations they make are correct. I know he's just fiction, but I note that Batman is perhaps more effective not being known as Bruce Wayne. A time when the police can be trusted will come. But that's the egg and not the chicken.

Re: James Dahl so gal

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:00 pm
by James Dahl
Arabman wrote:Jamesoow, no one (individuals, organizations, corporations, governments, etc) does something for free. So, what's in it for you?
People do things for free all the time, do you demand payment every time someone asks you to help them? :?

Re: James Dahl so gal

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:52 pm
by SomaliDefenceCouncil
Grant wrote:Arabman,

That sounds like a confession.


SDC,

You're setting up a chicken and egg situation. If you read the report you know that at the present time the police and soldiers are part of the problem. The country needs a replacement for the SEMG in order to find the leaks in that engine for itself. This is a good start. With additional investment and time the police, etc. will fall into line and what you are talking about can happen; but until then, the government stands no chance'.

I like the idea anyone can point fingers anonymously on Marqaati's site. The group can then investigate and bring media or appropriate governmental attention to any leaky engines. The important thing is that their allegations are seen to be accurate. The group itself can control this by being certain the allegations they make are correct. I know he's just fiction, but I note that Batman is perhaps more effective not being known as Bruce Wayne. A time when the police can be trusted will come. But that's the egg and not the chicken.
I agree, only time will tell whether Marqaati is a genuine organisation or just a new front for corrupt NGO's based in Nairobi to discredit Somali institutions.

Somali's have had a very tough relationship with NGO's, especially in the last five years. Somali's (diaspora/local) face racism, prejudice and discrimination from these international NGO's. We are made to feel stupid and unwanted.


The most disturbing thing is that Somali's are made into 2nd class citizens in their own country by these international NGO's. These international NGO's recruit mainly Kenyans to occupy positions meant/supposedly to be held by educated Somali nationals diaspora/locals.

They try to justify this by saying that there are no qualified Somali diaspora/locals to hold such positions, which isn't true but they just want to justify their:

- Racism
- Discrimination
- Prejudice
- Islamphobia

Almost all the NGOs "supposedly operating" in Somalia today have their headquarters in Nairobi not Mogadishu/Hargeysa.

The question is: how long are international NGO's going to cling onto this? And when will they start giving opportunities to locals or Somali born Diasporas? We have long serving and experienced professionals of all fields from teachers, It professionals and project managers in Somalia.

Thankfully the new Somali administration is employing Somali youth into its institutions, providing:
- New employment
- on the job training
- competitive salaries
- Career opportunities

The money that diaspora/local Somali's receive as their monthly salaries is reinvested back into the country and the Somali economy benefits.

However there is strong concern that international NGO's are still competing with Somali institutions for funding and legitimacy.

I am not against foreigners (Kenyans) but what I am against is that they should not be given opportunities that are supposed to be for Somalis. This is irrespective of whether it’s a government’s office or in NGO.

Re: James Dahl so gal

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:29 pm
by Arabman
James Dahl wrote:People do things for free all the time, do you demand payment every time someone asks you to help them? :?
Even those who volunteer free time to work have the ulterior motive of gaining experience and referrals. With the vast info/data you've so far collected about Somalis, it's anything other than spending your free time on a hobby. I don't know if you remember it, but I've already labeled you as Lawrence of Somalia.