Arabman wrote:I've already outlined that I'm not a scholar. Unlike you who has quoted many verses and hadith, and explained them according to your understanding, I don't want to risk committing dambi by wrongly attributing something to Islam. I only quote what respected and certified scholars, like sheikh Qaradawi, have said or the fatwas they've issued.
Subahannallah, you deny verses of hadith and Quran and only accept to quote what a human-being (scholar) have issued. What is more greater the qalaam of Allah or the qalaam of a human-being (scholar)?
You admit you aren't a scholar, yet you dismiss respected and certified scholars like sheikh Qaradawi, and present your personal understandings and opinions as better to their fatwas and knowledge of Islam.
Dude, Allah has send us the holy Quran and Prophet Muhammad anything besides the Quran and Sunnah of prophet is not Sharia. Sheikh Qardawi is a human being like us, you don't know if he will be entering Jannah or not. I respect all scholars but that does not mean we follow a scholar blindly. We only follow the Quran and Sunnah. The Scholars are useful for teaching the Quran and Sunnah and clear up confusion over hadith, but nowhere in the Holy Quran does it state that we should follow a 'scholar'.
The Quran is not some kind of a maze or a riddle. It is simple and I don't need a scholar to understand the Quran. I can read what the Quran states. And it clearly states that committing suicide is forbidden. Am I right or wrong? Come on admit what the Quran and Hadith state on SUICIDE. Or you willing to deny the verses of Quran?
]Once again, the ayat isn't about destroying graves.
My point wasn't about destroying graves it was an example of forcing people to adhere to one ideology. This ayat is very powerful and reminds us that how Allah SWT told us not to force non-Muslims to follow Islam. So take this ayat deeply in your thoughts and wonder to yourself? If Allah has forbidden us to force non-Muslim to Islam imagine the respect a Muslims has for another Muslim. I mean imagine calling another Muslim a murtad? Al-Shabaab think they own Islam. Subahannallah
You're here repetitive.
I'm being repetitive cause you have not answered my question yet. Your keep on justifiying Al-Shabaab's wrong-doings. You have yet not accepted their mistakes/wrong-doings.
According to established understanding, a moderate Muslim is one who neglects arkaanul Islam and has adopted Western culture (drinking, clubbing, dating, etc), and a moderate government (like the SFG) is one that doesn't implement Sharia, particularly hudud laws.
Why do you always ignore the Quran and Sunnah. Now you use the definition of a moderation from 'established understanding'. I clearly presented to you what moderation means in Islam. Yet u want to ignore it and focus on the so-called moderation that western use. Even if they do use the term moderation does not mean their meaning of moderation is what the prophet and Allah told us of. Moderation= not doing things excessively and not doing this too little.
Examples of extreme things Al-Shabaab carry out:
1. Forcing the poor to pay Zakat on their farms and livestocks
2. Forcing parents to give out their children for war
3. Forcing people not leave a town or go to another town
4. Any many things such as strictly controlling their media, social gatherings, etc
Source?
This government and all the previous governments used to ask Al-Shabaab members for ceasefire. There are countless times. They even used to set a time frame for ceasefire from 100 days to 60 days. For example:
Wasiirka arimaha gudaha iyo Amniga qaranka xukumada Soomaaliya C/kariin Xuseen Guuleed ayaa ugu baaqay dhalinyarada ka barbar dagaalameysa kooxda Al-shabaab inay hubka iska dhigaan isla markaana dib ugu soo laabtaan qoysaskooda si aanu mugdi u gelin noloshooda.
Wasiirka oo kormeer ku tegay shalay deegaano la sheegay in shabaab ay ka soo abaabulaan weerarada ayaa waxaa uu sheegay in deegaanadaasi ay dhigeen ciidamo isla markaan si joogta ah ay uga howlgeli doonana ciidamada.
Wasiirka Arrimaha gudaha iyo Amniga Qaranka C/kariin Xuseen Guuleed ayaa ugu baaqay dhalinyarada ka bar bar dagaalameysa Al-Shabaab inay dib ugu soo laabtaan qoysaskooda, si mustaqbalkooda aanay mugdi u gelin.
Hadal uu shalay Wasiirka ka jeediyay howl gal ciidamada dowladda iyo kuwa AMISOM ku tageen deegaanka Saqiiro oo la sheegay in weerarada looga soo qaadayay Muqdisho ayaa ku tilmaamay inuu ahaa howl gal aad muhiim ahaa, lagana gaaray guul, isagoo bogaadiyay sida ciidamada uga soo baxeen.
“Meeshaan waxaa lagu magacaabaa Saqiiro waxaa ku yaala ceel, waxay ka mid aheyd meelaha laga soo abaabulo dagaalada dhuumaaleysiga ah “ayuu yiri Wasiirka Arrimaha gudaha iyo Amniga Qaranka.
Wasiirka ayaa xusay in deegaanadaasi ay xog ka keeneen ciidamada Nabdsugida iyo kuwa Militariga, dabadeedna dowlada ay go’aan rasmi ah ku gaartay in weerar lagu qaado.
“Markii ciidamada nabadsugida xogog ka keeneen, meelaha ubucda ah ee laga soo abaabulo ayay dowladda go’aan ku gaartay halkan in laga sameeyo howl galo joogto, si loo dhicisiiyo loona fashiliyo abaabulka naf la caariga ay isku soo uruursanayaan maleeshiyada Shabaab”ayuu yiri C/kariin Xuseen Guuleed.
Ugu dambeyn Wasiirka ayaa ugu baaqay inay soo dhoweeyaan ciidamada cid kasta oo si nabad ah isku soo dhiibta, isla markaana aan wax loo raacan doonin, isagoo ciidamada dowladda u sheegay inay diyaar u yihiin in mar walba taageero hiil iyo hooba la garab taagan yihiin, waxaana uu amray in Ciidamada labada maalmood ee soo socota loo qalo xoolo isugu jira Geella iyo Lo’da.
Madaxweynaha dowlada Soomaaliya Xasan Sheikh Maxamuud ayaa shaaca ka qaaday in ay fursad cafis ah siinayaan dagaalyahanada Shabaab ee dagaalamaya.
Xasan Sh Maxamuud ayaa sheegay in Soomaaliya ay haatan ubaahan tahay nabad taasna lagu gaari karo kooxaha hubaysan ee dowlada kasoo horjeeda oo hubka dhiga.
“nabada waa loo wada baahan yahay, dowladana waa xaqiijin doontaa, hada waxaad haystaaan fursad kama danbays ah cafiska waa idiin furan yahay intiina Soomaalida ah ee dhalinyarada ah’ayuu sheegay Xasan Sh Maxamuud.
Wuxuu cadeeyay in qorshe cusub oo lagu xasilinayo amaanka dalka ay la imaanayso dowladiisa ,isagoo sheegay in sanadkaan cusub dalka isbedel weyn laga daraami doono.
Madaxweynaha dalka wuxuu sheegay in dhalinyarada uu ku tilmaamay in la qalday fikirkooda ay u furan tahay inay isku soo dhiibaan dowlada Soomaaliya,lana midoobaan eheladooda.
Ugu danbayn ayaa madaxweynaha Soomaaliya waxaa uu sheegay in nabad sugida ay qabsan doonaan howlahooda ayna xaqiijin doonaan amaanka caasimada iyo guud ahaanba dalka.
The Somali government have offered olive branch (peace) to Al-Shabaab many times before. Yet Al-Shabaab are not willing to even accept a ceasefire. Thats how stubborn and uneducated they are. If they are in the straight path (sharia) then they would had accepted a ceasefire and negotiated. Discuss for what they want and come with a solution. AMISOM and all foreign troops would had left Somalia long time ago if Al-Shabaab had accepted peace.
Not only did the Somali government offer peace and negotiation to Al-Shabaab but so did the Somali Ulemas. Many Somali scholars actively asked Al-Shabaab to end the war and come for a solution. They also rejected the Somali Ulemas.
What was the point of mentioning those countries if you know they don't implement Sharia? Did you mean to say implementing Sharia is impossible?
You asked me to name 3-5 countries that claim to implement Sharia which I did.
Do not twist my words, I have never claimed that impelementing Sharia is impossible. All I kept talking about most of the time is to implement Sharia the right way. This was my initial post regards to Sharia law and countries :
this clearly shows they have zero rights to implement Sharia as they do not even have the knowledge of Islam forget about the other conditions. Al-Shabaab is no different that all these Muslim countries that claim to implement Sharia. Atleast those Muslims have respect for humanity and do not blow their own people into pieces.
Now tell me where I claim that it is impossible to implement Sharia?
Your clansman, Voltage, is more educated and smarter than you're. I would attribute his unbiasedness, objectiveness and positive praises towards al-Shabaab, to the fact that he doesn't work for the SFG, unlike you.
Good for him if he is more educated or smarter than me. But whatever opinion he has my views on Al-Shabaab is more accurate as I was inside Somalia for more than 2 years which he hasn't. I'm on the ground he ain't. So he lacks validity and reliability. Despite that I didn't ask you for an opinion of a member but a fact on the ground.
Still I'm waiting for that so-called social/economic development carried out by Al-Shabaab in the past 7-8 years they were ruling South Central Somalia.
Show me atleast 1 school they have built (pictures)
1 hospital (pictures)
Any sort of construction work and re-development projects
Any mosque they have built
Any Islamic schools they have built
Just anything show me in pictures.
